Are Truthers' accusations against Silverstein based on latent anti-Semitism?

I believe the diesel is superior to the gasoline engine. Do I have to condemn every anti-semitic diesel supporter? How about the anti-Czech diesel supporters? Do I have to condemn them too?

If a rabid anti-Semite posted a rant about how the gasoline engine was a Jewish conspiracy to suppress the Aryan virtues of the diesel engine, and someone asked you whether you agreed with him, would it kill you to say that you didn't?

Dave
 
Don't be surprised when someone responds aggressively to ridiculous charges and generally obnoxious behavior.


By, say, repeatedly asking you a question you refuse to answer?
 
Well they don"t only blame Larry. They allso say that Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Madeleine Albright, zionist, Mossad and the State of Israel plus the Rothschild family were all involved in 9/11. And guess what they are all joos. Even though I don"t think that Madeleine Albright and Zbigniew Brzezinski agree with Henry Kissinger about the issues. It doesn"t matter to them that those people don"t even agree with each others. Its all a twoofer cover up. Plus many twoofers are fans of David Irving and David Duke. Joos are allways involved in CT people fantasys. Sure they say thet hate "zionist" only because they want to be politically correct. If Larry was from Iran they wouldn"t say anything.
 
What mind reading? Is there a reason that you object to anti-semitism being pointed out? Are you sympathetic to their anti-semitic thoughts?

Well now there is the problem isn't it (in bold)? Since this ridiculous thread was precipitated by the exchanges I got in with Pomeroo, how about you go ahead and provide even a shred of evidence of anti-semitism based on my posts criticizing Silverstein.

Hell, this would be a great place for Ron to do the same. I am trying very hard not to continue to derail Max's thread.
 
If a rabid anti-Semite posted a rant about how the gasoline engine was a Jewish conspiracy to suppress the Aryan virtues of the diesel engine, and someone asked you whether you agreed with him, would it kill you to say that you didn't?

Dave

Absolutely not. The fact that you presume it would even be difficult is proof of your own bias.

If I heard that ridiculous nonsense in casual converation, of course I'd ask, what the hell are you talking about?

Furthermore, it's not mine nor your responsibility to have to pledge some condemnation of every idiot out there.
 
Well now there is the problem isn't it (in bold)? Since this ridiculous thread was precipitated by the exchanges I got in with Pomeroo, how about you go ahead and provide even a shred of evidence of anti-semitism based on my posts criticizing Silverstein.

Hell, this would be a great place for Ron to do the same. I am trying very hard not to continue to derail Max's thread.
Was I referring to you...didn't think I was. How about you point out where and when I said anything about you and anti-semitism then I will comply with your request. Otherwise, I honestly expect you to retract your foolish claim.
 
Was I referring to you...didn't think I was. How about you point out where and when I said anything about you and anti-semitism then I will comply with your request. Otherwise, I honestly expect you to retract your foolish claim.

I wasn't trying to direct the challenge at you specifically, my apologies for that. I was speaking more to the premise of the thread and the OP.
 
From the Ottomans after WWI. The Ottomans had it for 400 years or so.


Maybe so. But that was a rich, earthy, organic sort of imperialism – the kind that spiritual people engage in. So that was fine.
 
Like I already said and you stubbornly refuse to understand: you could ask me to pledge that the sun rises in the east, and because it comes from a spiteful and bitter half rate public access "host", I won't do it.

I don't give a damn what pledge you propose, stick it in your giant hardfire tankard.

Silence gives consent so you are endorsing the haters.
 
Based on my experience conversing with people in the TM, it is usually stupidity, not anti-semitism that fixates them on Silverstein. The "pull it" quote has been absolutely butchered by the TM, and many truthers still seem to believe the term is jargon for an explosive CD, despite all evidence to the contrary. Thankfully some truthers realize this has been completely overblown, but you have to remember, WTC 7 is their best evidence (sad I know), and as we know, truthers are almost always convinced and feel obliged to convince others that 9/11 was an inside job. Silverstein is unique because he gives truthers the ability to connnect the two at once, specifically to the CD theory, which is the most popular one amongst truthers. If they can get others to believe this complicity off the bat, the BS motives (insurance fraud, asbestos, Enron documents) are much easier to sell to the uninformed, and so are the rest of the TM's claims. These motives are quite pathetic, and baseless, but at least truthers can whip up a motive for WTC 7. In contrast, at the Pentagon and Shanksville, they realize they have no motive. A crash in an open field contadicts their "shock and awe" argument, and is not worth the trouble to just say "lets roll" in a few speeches. The idea of hitting the Pentagon to the benefit of the DoD and the military is even more pathetic.

Granted, there are many people in the TM who would openly admit they are Anti - Zionist. Others are Holocaust deniers, and people in the TM have had no problem in the past giving them attention if they were willing to listen. You can find plenty of anti-semitic quotes from people like Kevin Barret, Hesham Tillawi, Eric Hufschmid, Christopher Bollyn, Serendipity.li crew, etc.

Regardless of all this hatred, I still don't think it is fair to judge everyone in the TM based on the racist beliefs of a few of their leaders. Granted, other Holocaust deniers do exist in the TM, but in my experience these accusations are typically made out of ignorance, not racial hatred. Let's face it, truthers have made more accusations than every money grubbing [rule 10] in Divorce Court combined.

Nor can you easily prove scientifically that a majority of truthers are anti semites, even if this were the case. No one likes to participate in polls with completely loaded questions and even if you were somehow able to get them altogether to take the poll, people are reluctant to admit to racist thoughts, even if the poll is anonymous. Besides, truthers have quite the track record for denial. What's to stop some of them from denying they are racists too? If you cany deny Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, denying racists thoughts isn't much of a stretch now is it?
 
Well they don"t only blame Larry. They allso say that Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Madeleine Albright, zionist, Mossad and the State of Israel plus the Rothschild family were all involved in 9/11. And guess what they are all joos. Even though I don"t think that Madeleine Albright and Zbigniew Brzezinski agree with Henry Kissinger about the issues. It doesn"t matter to them that those people don"t even agree with each others. Its all a twoofer cover up. Plus many twoofers are fans of David Irving and David Duke. Joos are allways involved in CT people fantasys. Sure they say thet hate "zionist" only because they want to be politically correct. If Larry was from Iran they wouldn"t say anything.

This is essentially what it comes down to. It's all about the Jewish involvement. Some guys were dancing on 9/11? So what? Oh, but they were Jews.

Here are the facts about WTC7:

--Zero evidence of explosives (ETA: and a great deal of evidence against explosives, the seismic record for instance)
--Zero evidence of any wrongdoing on Silverstein's part
--Zero evidence of any gain or profit on Silverstein's part
--The FDNY predicted that the building would collapse
--The Truth Movement persistently harps on "pull it". Even when it is shown to them that the term does not refer to explosive demolition and has never been used by anyone to refer to explosive demolition. The use of the term to refer to explosive demolition was LITERALLY invented by members of the Truth Movement.
--Every time the Truth Movment quotes Silverstein, it is out of context. All they tell you is "Silverstein said 'pull it' omg!!111!" They never give you the rest of the sentence: "You know, we've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it". No fantasist has ever been able to fit the "terrible loss of life" line into their "pull-it-means-explosive-demolition" fantasy (not even the mighty metamars), so they never quote it.
--The Truth Movement is absolutely obsessed with WTC7, but they pay no attention whatsoever to 3, 4, 5, or 6. The only notable differences are the presence of a rich Jew and the repeatedly debunked lie about "freefall". Of course, if the latter were the only motivation behind the conspiracy theories, why would the fantasists mention Silverstein at all?
--There is a great deal of overt and proven anti-Semitism within the Truth Movement, many of the Truth Movement's "ringleaders" are anti-Semites, the Truth Movement is closely allied with Holocaust deniers and Zionist World Domination CTists, and not one prominent member of the Truth Movement has ever denounced the rabid anti-Semites who claim to represent his movement.

I can think of only one explanation that fits all of this.

For the record, I am not saying all Truthers are anti-Semites. What I think is that most Truthers are simple parrots who repeat whatever the "ringleaders" tell them to believe. In this case, the parrots repeat lies about WTC7 and Silvestein that "ringleaders" like Alex Jones told them. But how did AJ and his peers come up with such lies?

--"Founding" members of the Truth Movement are known anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers, and Zionist World Domination CTists.

--"Founding" members of the Truth Movement repeat lies about dancing Israelis, warnings for Jews not to show up to work, Mossad agents...and yes, Larry Silverstein.

Folks, there is but one common thread here, and that is Jews. And this is made only more suspicious by the fact that while "debunkers" will denounce in a hearbeat any wrongdoers who claim to represent JREF (recall how I got blasted by fellow "debunkers" for praising an ED article containing numerous homosexual slurs), the Truthers in this thread have blatantly refused to utter the one single sentence that would put this thread to an end. Five seconds of typing; that's all it would take for them to shut me up; a simple "I don't like the anti-Semitism within the Truth Movement". Curious that, like Pomeroo said, this is the only principled stand they have ever taken on anything.

And that's my two dollars.
 
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When it comes to Silverstein, a lot of them do showcase their Antisemitism. When I've explained to them the ''pull it'' quote, I've been told that I'm only ''protecting him because hes Jewish''. They'll refer to him as a Zionist, then looking bewildered when I question them on his support to Israel. Apparently any Jew you don't like instantly becomes a Zionist.
 
I've muddled things by criticizing the "loaded question". The question I refer to is not explicit, but implicit in



I.e., the (implicit) question is "are accusations made against Larry Silverstein motivated by anti-Semitism on the part of the accuser?"

Good job! You've deduced...the title of this thread.

Amazing deductive reasoning skills you have there. You must be some kind of genius or something. The OP is asking the question that appears in the thread's title? Who knew?

You should become, like, a private investigator. Or a police detective. You'd be amazing at it.
 
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Good job! You've deduced...the title of this thread.

Amazing deductive reasoning skills you have there. You must be some kind of genius or something. The OP is asking the question that appears in the thread's title? Who knew?

You should become, like, a private investigator. Or a police detective. You'd be amazing at it.

His next step should be counting his toes. That should keep him busy for a year or two.
 

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