Are Truthers' accusations against Silverstein based on latent anti-Semitism?

[stateofgrace]

Are there anti-semites who believe the official story? Have they been condemned? Is it even anyone's responsibility to go out and condemn everyone who happens to agree with a particular theory.

I believe the diesel is superior to the gasoline engine. Do I have to condemn every anti-semitic diesel supporter? How about the anti-Czech diesel supporters? Do I have to condemn them too?

If there are Anti Semitics who believe the "official story", then they are to be condemned because they are Anti Semitic END.

Now do you condemn Anti Semitics who do not believe the "official "story?

Yes or no?

 

[MarkyX]

Are there anti-semites who believe the official story? Have they been condemned? Is it even anyone's responsibility to go out and condemn everyone who happens to agree with a particular theory.

But the "official story" research wasn't conducted by anti-semites. I can't say the same thing about 9/11 deniers.

 

[RedIbis]

I believe Red falls somewhere between a troll and mentally ill.

I think I'd rather be called a jew hater.

 

[RedIbis]

But the "official story" research wasn't conducted by anti-semites. I can't say the same thing about 9/11 deniers.

Sure you can. You would just rather conflate the few idiots with all of the other research that goes on. Is Griffin, Dr. Jones, Hoffman, Gage, or Paul Thompson anti semitic?

 

[DavidJames]

So you see anti-semitism but you say there is no evidence? Are you ok??

sigh, never mind.

 

[MarkyX]

Sure you can. You would just rather conflate the few idiots with all of the other research that goes on. Is Griffin, Dr. Jones, Hoffman, Gage, or Paul Thompson anti semitic?

Griffin used Chris Bollyn as a source

Steven Jones used Chris Bollyn as a source (Bollyn started the whole "molten steel" argument)

Don't know much about Hoffman's research since he isn't a large influence in the movement, so what does he bring new to the table?

Richard Gage uses 9/11 mysteries, a popular video that uses holocaust denier/moon land hoaxer Eric Hufschmid as a source.

Haven't looked into Paul Thompson's research deeply, but he isn't a major player in the movement either.

 

[metamars]

If I ever encounter a JREF debunker who I find to be a wife-beater or a child molestor I will not hesitate to condemn him for it.

If you ever encounter a truther who is a racist and an anti-semite, and spreads malicious lies about people based on their Jewish ethnicity, what will be your response?

Dave

If it were my mission in life to correct everybody I encountered, online or offline, I would spend all my life doing so. I'm under no obligation to do so.

Therefore when you ask

If you ever encounter a truther who is a racist and an anti-semite, and spreads malicious lies about people based on their Jewish ethnicity, what will be your response?

if what you mean is do I always or even usually correct or condemn such individuals, the answer is "No, I do not.". Neither do I normally correct or condemn people who swear, say malicious things about black people, or say malicious or stupid things about women. Since you claim that if you "ever encounter a JREF debunker who I find to be a wife-beater or a child molestor I will not hesitate to condemn him for it", it certainly seems to me that consistency demands that every time you encounter a JREF debunker who is smearing the 911 Truth movement, as a whole, with anti-Semitism, that you will also not hesitate to condemn such behavior. But have you ever done so? Do you have even the slightest curiosity in determining what percentage of 911 Truth Movement members really are anti-Semitic? What about determining who is deliberately and insincerely injecting anti-Semitic comments into 911 Truth discourse, as a means of discrediting the movement? Do you realize how easy it is to do this, and also how near-impossible it is to prove it?

FWIW, I saw an old friend last week, who made an unfortunate comment about "99%" of women. In this case, I did object - gently. And that was the end of it. Personally, the only people I'm likely to correct more often than not are friends. Not even non-immediate family. And if they needed endless correction, it's not likely they'd be friends. Life is too short.

 

[DavidJames]

But the "official story" research wasn't conducted by anti-semites. I can't say the same thing about 9/11 deniers.

Huh? That quote isn't mine.

 

[RedIbis]

Griffin used Chris Bollyn as a source

Steven Jones used Chris Bollyn as a source (Bollyn started the whole "molten steel" argument)

Don't know much about Hoffman's research since he isn't a large influence in the movement, so what does he bring new to the table?

Richard Gage uses 9/11 mysteries, a popular video that uses holocaust denier/moon land hoaxer Eric Hufschmid as a source.

Haven't looked into Paul Thompson's research deeply, but he isn't a major player in the movement either.

If you wrote a book about auto manufacturing and quoted Henry Ford, would that make you an anti-semite?

BTW, you should look into Thompson's work, IMO, he's the single best compiler of mainstream media articles on 9/11. I could care less whether or not he's what you would consider a leader in the Twoofy Twoof Army.

 

[~enigma~]

sigh, never mind.

Do you know what a hypocrite is?

 

[metamars]

Just for the record, I'm not anti-Semitic.

I hate everyone equally.

I only hate people who hate everyone equally. With the single exception of Max Photon.

Geez, do I hate myself for making an exception for him!

 

[DavidJames]

Once again I ask, you see blatant anti-semitism in truthers yet there is no evidence? And you accuse me and others of using CT logic?!

Ok, let me try this one more last time.

This is your quote I responded to:

It's not latent. They may think it doesn't show but it does.

You are attributing motive (anti-Semitism) to someone without evidence. Further, you are insinuating they are hiding it "they may think it doesn't show", also without evidence.

Sorry sir, this is woo thinking

 

[Par]

Why would I have to put that in?

Because it made it clear that he was referring to Enigma's comment specifically and not the notion of anti-Semitism in the “Truth Movement” as a whole.

Talk about tedious.

No.

I can't even agree with someone's post without being nipped at the heels.

Just as I can’t even criticise your posts without you taking the opportunity to cultivate your self-preening victim status.

 

[~enigma~]

Ok, let me try this one more last time.

This is your quote I responded to:

You are attributing motive (anti-Semitism) to someone without evidence. Further, you are insinuating they are hiding it "they may think it doesn't show", also without evidence.

Sorry sir, this is woo thinking

No I see anti-semitism and that is what I said. The insinuation you read into my statement is an action of a woo. It means nothing more than I see it although they deny it. Not my problem that you install your "fears" into anything I say.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Since you claim that if you "ever encounter a JREF debunker who I find to be a wife-beater or a child molestor I will not hesitate to condemn him for it", it certainly seems to me that consistency demands that every time you encounter a JREF debunker who is smearing the 911 Truth movement, as a whole, with anti-Semitism, that you will also not hesitate to condemn such behavior.

What a ridiculous conclusion to draw. Stating that a movement has its roots in anti-Semitism is in no way morally equivalent, or even comparable, to repeated violent abuse of a vulnerable individual. Nor is it morally comparable or equivalent to expressing a belief that all people of a particular ethnicity are evil and manipulative. I suggest you try to acquire a sense of proportion.

What is particularly telling is the careful avoidance of truthers on this board to make any negative comment about anti-Semitism, despite their willingness to cry foul if anyone points out that some of the originators of the truth movement are anti-Semites. Would it destroy your debating position to express any negative opinion of anti-Semitism? And, if so, is it really a position you want to occupy?

Dave

 

[Par]

Do you know what a hypocrite is?

Oh, do shut up, Enigma.

 

[~enigma~]

Oh, do shut up, Enigma.

Par, you do realize that your acting like a spoiled child don't you?

 

[RedIbis]

Just as I can’t even criticise your posts without you taking the opportunity to cultivate your self-preening victim status.

No, it just happens to be a fact. Don't be surprised when someone responds aggressively to ridiculous charges and generally obnoxious behavior.

 

[DavidJames]

Not my problem that you install your "fears" into anything I say.

Please take your mind reading abilities to the appropriate forum.

You may have the last reading...

 

[~enigma~]

Please take your mind reading abilities to the appropriate forum.

You may have the last reading...

What mind reading? Is there a reason that you object to anti-semitism being pointed out? Are you sympathetic to their anti-semitic thoughts?