What's the hijacker alive theory?

[T.A.M.]

Because that would require an impossibly large conspiracy

at least you can laugh at (smilie) the ridiculousness of your own movement's (assuming you are a truther) theories.

TAM

 

[CptColumbo]

Now what would the odds be of not just that two people would have the same DNA profile, but they also rented the same car and stayed in the same hotel room as someone who died at one of the crash sites?

That's why it can be said that with reasonable certainty the hijackers have been identified using DNA samples.

 

[Profanz]

Identifying and linking DNA from a plane crash location to DNA from a car or a hotel room does not positively identify who that person was. It’s only evidence to people with foregone conclusions. The official version is a promotion not a proven case.

 

[Par]

Unless their DNA was registered in some databank, the only way to positively identify them is by comparing the samples to their families.

That, of course, is a false dichotomy. If you obtain samples you can be reasonably certain came from that same person – as was the case with the hijackers – then a match can be made.

You're just begging the question here, Par. Face it: there was no positive match based on DNA evidence. I don't know why people can't just admit this.

Please refrain from attempting to change the subject. Your previous claim consisted of a false dichotomy. If you obtain samples you can be reasonably certain came from that same person – as was the case with the hijackers – then a match can be made. Please address this point. (Incidentally, if you’re going to use a term, you should probably disabuse yourself of your confusion as to its meaning.)

 

[Clippy]

So has the argument now degraded to "the evil doers faked the DNA matches for the WTCs (see above article I have linked) but were TOO DUMB to do the same for the Pentagon"?

Or are the truthers here willing to admit that the DNA matching done by the NYC Coroner was correct?

TAM

That story does not make it clear how they got the profiles. It sounds as if they were retrieved from the rental cars and hotels. Again, without samples from family members this is not a positive identification.

 

[Clippy]

Please refrain from attempting to change the subject. Your previous claim consisted of a false dichotomy. If you obtain samples you can be reasonably certain came from that same person – as was the case with the hijackers – then a match can be made. Please address this point. (Incidentally, if you’re going to use a term, you should probably disabuse yourself of your confusion as to its meaning.)

Which sample establishes the identity of the hijackers? And which term are you refering to?

 

[~enigma~]

Identifying and linking DNA from a plane crash location to DNA from a car or a hotel room does not positively identify who that person was. It’s only evidence to people with foregone conclusions. The official version is a promotion not a proven case.

Answer please...Was the DNA evidence introduced in the Zacharias Moussaoui trial faked and if it was, why did you and your impotent bowel movement brethren allow an innocent man to be convicted with nary a whimper?

 

[~enigma~]

That story does not make it clear how they got the profiles. It sounds as if they were retrieved from the rental cars and hotels. Again, without samples from family members this is not a positive identification.

Answer please...Was the DNA evidence introduced in the Zacharias Moussaoui trial faked and if it was, why did you and your impotent bowel movement brethren allow an innocent man to be convicted with nary a whimper?

 

[Par]

Unless their DNA was registered in some databank, the only way to positively identify them is by comparing the samples to their families.

That, of course, is a false dichotomy. If you obtain samples you can be reasonably certain came from that same person – as was the case with the hijackers – then a match can be made.

You're just begging the question here, Par. Face it: there was no positive match based on DNA evidence. I don't know why people can't just admit this.

Which sample establishes the identity of the hijackers? And which term are you refering to?

Your previous claim consisted of a false dichotomy. If you obtain samples you can be reasonably certain came from that same person – as was the case with the hijackers – then a match can be made. Please address this point. (I am referring to the term “begging the question”.)

 

[Myriad]

I would prefer having the DNA evidence before answering those.

Okay, fine. "I don't know" is an acceptable answer, when that is indeed the case.

But, there are two possibilities: either the Jarrahs' son was aboard the plane, or he was not.

If he was aboard the plane, then the evidence says he was a hijacker, and is now dead. There have been some claims to the contrary. His family claims that he was on the flight but was an innocent victim. I'd also point out that DNA testing would only help establish or refute his presence on the plane, not what he did while aboard. Do they have an explanation of why he was on a flight to San Francisco shortly before planning to go to Lebanon for a wedding on the 22nd?

If he was not on the plane, then he is either alive and free, or dead or incarcerated. If alive and free, all he has to do to disprove the allegation that he was a 9/11 hijacker is to present himself, demonstrating that he is alive and therefore could not possibly be a hijacker.

If he is dead or incarcerated, then by whom? The article you cite claims that the terrorists stole his identity.

But, if he were either an innocent victim on the plane, or killed by the terrorists to steal his identity as the "Two Jarrahs" article's narrative suggests (note that these are contradictory possibilities), neither case suggests a 9/11 inside job conspiracy. Just a series of extremely unlikely coincidences or clever (and rather pointless-seeming) machinations by the terrorists, making him the (roughly) 2,976th 9/11 victim.

In either case, I'd certainly be interested in having the historical fact revealed, should any evidence come to light. A case of mistaken identity would be unfortunate and painful to his family, among thousands of other unfortunate events of 9/11 that caused pain to thousands of families. It would not be evidence of an inside job. And in any case, so far the evidence shows him being a hijacker who is now dead.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Clippy]

Your previous claim consisted of a false dichotomy. If you obtain samples you can be reasonably certain came from that same person – as was the case with the hijackers – then a match can be made. Please address this point. (I am referring to the term “begging the question”.)

Of course two samples of the same person will give the same profile. But how have you established from whom the samples came? How do you know that one of the sample came from the same Jarrah whose family wanted to provide a sample?

 

[~enigma~]

Of course two samples of the same person will give the same profile. But how have you established from whom the samples came? How do you know that one of the sample came from the same Jarrah whose family wanted to provide a sample?

Can you stop JAQING off for a minute and answer...

Answer please...Was the DNA evidence introduced in the Zacharias Moussaoui trial faked and if it was, why did you and your impotent bowel movement brethren allow an innocent man to be convicted with nary a whimper?

 

[Clippy]

Answer please...Was the DNA evidence introduced in the Zacharias Moussaoui trial faked and if it was, why did you and your impotent bowel movement brethren allow an innocent man to be convicted with nary a whimper?

Can you describe the evidence or provide a link?

 

[Clippy]

Of course two samples of the same person will give the same profile. But how have you established from whom the samples came? How do you know that one of the sample came from the same Jarrah whose family wanted to provide a sample?

Can you stop JAQING off for a minute and answer...

The answer to both my questions is that unless you get samples from the families, you cannot know.

 

[~enigma~]

Can you describe the evidence or provide a link?

You seriously have never seen the tons of evidence at http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

 

[~enigma~]

The answer to both my questions is that unless you get samples from the families, you cannot know.

So then you admit that 9/11 may not have been an inside job because you just admitted you don't know. Now answer the second part of my question. Why were you and your impotent bowel movement not protesting for the release of an innocent man in the case of Zacharias Moussaoui and KSM?

 

[Par]

Your previous claim consisted of a false dichotomy. If you obtain samples you can be reasonably certain came from that same person – as was the case with the hijackers – then a match can be made. Please address this point.

Of course two samples of the same person will give the same profile.

Thank you.

 

[Clippy]

You seriously have never seen the tons of evidence at http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

Thanks, that's a lot of evidence. Could you point out where does it discuss the DNA evidence? Thanks.

 

[Clippy]

Thank you.

And who is this same person?

 

[~enigma~]

Thanks, that's a lot of evidence. Could you point out where does it discuss the DNA evidence? Thanks.

Are you not looking at the applets? Or do you prefer to JAQ off?