Flight 93

[lapman]

Even if they did lay it out in a hanger, the twoofers would find one bolt and claim that it wasn't from a 757, so the whole thing is fake like they've basically done with flight 77.

 

[sleahead]

Glad to see your reading Gravy's work, RedIbis, but you didn't seem to get as far as this link he provided:

Investigators have positively identified the remains of another 14 persons aboard United Airlines Flight 93 and Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller said the investigation could conclude more quickly than expected.

At the same time, the high winds that buffeted the area over the last few days have dislodged additional airplane parts -- seat cushions, wiring, carpet fragments and pieces of metal -- from trees near the crash site.

"It's all aircraft parts, no human remains," Miller said. "We've collected them in 10 recycling bin-sized containers and eventually we'll turn them all over to United."
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011027flight931027p5.asp

Now all you have to do is ask United if they received 10 bins of planes parts.

 

[RedIbis]

Glad to see your reading Gravy's work, RedIbis, but you didn't seem to get as far as this link he provided:



Now all you have to do is ask United if they received 10 bins of planes parts.

10 recycling bins of parts is 95% of the plane?

Not only have been reading through Gravy's links, I'm a bit surprised to find that his eyewitness list is a link to a Democratic Underground thread that basically casts tremendous doubt on the official story.

I wonder if he read his own link.

 

[DGM]

10 recycling bins of parts is 95% of the plane?

Not only have been reading through Gravy's links, I'm a bit surprised to find that his eyewitness list is a link to a Democratic Underground thread that basically casts tremendous doubt on the official story.

I wonder if he read his own link.

Why do you refuse to talk directly to the people that can address your concerns.

Your lack of willingness to do this is mind boggling. Don't you want to know?

 

[Drudgewire]

I wonder if he read his own link.

You never cease to amaze me, Red.

 

[Garb]

10 recycling bins of parts is 95% of the plane?

Not only have been reading through Gravy's links, I'm a bit surprised to find that his eyewitness list is a link to a Democratic Underground thread that basically casts tremendous doubt on the official story.

I wonder if he read his own link.

Did you read mine?

 

[RedIbis]

More correctly it IS NO LONGER in the ditch. At one point, i am sure a good portion of it was in the ditch, prior to collection.

Really? If you're so sure why is there no photo or video of a good portion of the plane in the ditch?

Again, why is Gravy's revered research linking to a thread that suggests pieces of Flight 93 fell down around Shanksville prior to crashing?

Anyone?

 

[RedIbis]

Did you read mine?

Yes, the coroner says that the material will be turned over to the airline, not that it was turned over.

Can you provide an updated report that verifies this happened?

 

[DGM]

Really? If you're so sure why is there no photo or video of a good portion of the plane in the ditch?

Again, why is Gravy's revered research linking to a thread that suggests pieces of Flight 93 fell down around Shanksville prior to crashing?

Anyone?

It's all about the argument to you isn't it? You might as well admit you couldn't care less about the events of 9/11.

 

[RedIbis]

It's all about the argument to you isn't it? You might as well admit you couldn't care less about the events of 9/11.

Personal attacks instead of addressing my questions. Well done, as usual.

 

[beachnut]

Glad to see your reading Gravy's work, RedIbis, but you didn't seem to get as far as this link he provided:



Now all you have to do is ask United if they received 10 bins of planes parts.

It would be as if your car was stolen and used in a crime. After the FBI/GBI/police finish, they return your (as in YOUR) property to you!

Flight 93 does bring out the dumbest people (people who talk before they investigate to find out 93 impact is what a high speed impact looks like), who say the impact looks wrong, or there should be a tail or something more. Flight 93's impact becomes an indication of 9/11 truth's lack of knowledge.

What is cool, there are witnesses to 93 making the impact crater. No real time for some NOW MIB group to plant the stuff. What has me puzzled, why are people not using their own heads to make up their minds. 9/11 truth believers just relax and parrot 9/11 truth lies about flight 93, as if they were zombies.

As for 93 being shot down; please remind RedIbis that is the topic and he has no evidence on that anyway.

 

[DGM]

Personal attacks instead of addressing my questions. Well done, as usual.

Go back to my original question that you dodged. Report me if you think this was an attack. I think I'm stating the obvious.

 

[T.A.M.]

Really? If you're so sure why is there no photo or video of a good portion of the plane in the ditch?

Again, why is Gravy's revered research linking to a thread that suggests pieces of Flight 93 fell down around Shanksville prior to crashing?

Anyone?

Why do you assume because it has not been handed out to the general public, that there is not a video or set of photos?

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

Go back to my original question that you dodged. Report me if you think this was an attack. I think I'm stating the obvious.

At this point, to suggest that I "couldn't care less about the events of 9/11" is a cold and desperate thing to say.

I will take all of your comments far less seriously from now on.

 

[RedIbis]

Why do you assume because it has not been handed out to the general public, that there is not a video or set of photos?

TAM

Why do you assume that there is? You are putting your faith into the lack of evidence. I am asking for the evidence.

In the strange logic of jref that makes me a twoofy twoofer and you a skeptic.

 

[boloboffin]

RedIbis, Gravy linked to that article solely because of the numerous eyewitnesses. If you are convinced by that logic that there are serious questions about the "official story," then you are easily convinced. John Doe II quotes Miller as saying there were no human remains, for the love of Pete. That's the quality of his analysis.

ETA: here's the link to the DU article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x37066

JDII posits a plane coming out of the east based on TWO specific people, only one of which saw a plane. Everyone else heard it. Do you have any idea of what a passenger jet plummeting full throttle at over 500 mph sounds like, RedIbis?

The single person who saw the plane is at the marina and just says that it was overhead. Does he mean literally? Based on all physical evidence, he couldn't. It was simply up in the sky. All the rest of the article sorts through the various accounts of debris, which is easily explained by the speed of the aircraft, the explosion, and the wind.

 

[DGM]

At this point, to suggest that I "couldn't care less about the events of 9/11" is a cold and desperate thing to say.

I will take all of your comments far less seriously from now on.

Why do you not respond to my question about why you don't speak (personally) to the people that can answer your questions? This is why I conclude that you don't really care (your lack of effort to find the answers you desire).

ETA: Desperate? WTF?

 

[T.A.M.]

Why do you assume that there is? You are putting your faith into the lack of evidence. I am asking for the evidence.

In the strange logic of jref that makes me a twoofy twoofer and you a skeptic.

If I tell you your uncle has Lung Cancer, do you need to see the Chest X-Ray or CT Scan yourself before you will believe it?

There are thousands of investigations in the USA each year. They involved forensics, photos, videos, balistics, etc....

Do you really believe you are entitled to see all the evidence in any investigation you wish "to have a look at"?

This is my point. Authorities investigated it. Are you suggesting that those involved in the investigation of flight 93 were lying? Because if you are not, then why would you not take their word for it???

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

RedIbis, Gravy linked to that article solely because of the numerous eyewitnesses. If you are convinced by that logic that there are serious questions about the "official story," then you are easily convinced. John Doe II quotes Miller as saying there were no human remains, for the love of Pete. That's the quality of his analysis.

Gravy should source them, or according to Debunking 101 call these people himself. Simply linking to a long thread that casts serious doubt on the official account of Flight 93 is lazy and shoddy research.

The premise of that link is how much eyewitness accounts suggest many possibilities besides the low probability of the official account. Great job debunkers and skeptics.

 

[boloboffin]

RedIbis, I edited my post while you were responding. That DU article cast serious doubt only on your own credulity for believing it.