DC: Why do you think WTC7 was a CD?

[DC]

i think Interviews are best shown in video with audio, and youtube is one of the places for this.

 

[DC]

I'm referring to demolition experts from the companies I, personally, have contacted to refute the "pull it" canard. Jowenko, of course, believes that the Towers collapsed from the impacts of the planes and the resulting fires. We can agree, therefore, that his opinion is worthless.

Stacey Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition, Inc. has often observed that conspiracy liars are totally clueless about demolition. Much smaller buildings than WTC 7 require teams of specialists working for weeks, sometimes months, to get everything just right.

Pull it? what companys and who exactly did you talk to pls?

yes jovenko does NOT belive WTC 1 and 2 was CDed, never claimed anything else.

Stacey Loizeaux?

Well, it depends on the structure, obviously. We've had chimneys prepared in half a day and we've had buildings that take three months. Generally we don't do the preparation work. We are usually an implosion subcontractor, meaning that there is a main demolition contractor on site, who's been contracted by the property owner or the developer, and they then subcontract the implosion to us. We will then ask them to perform preparatory operations, including non-load bearing partition removal—meaning, the dry wall that separates the rooms. It's not carrying the weight of the building. It's just there as a divider. But what happens—you know, if you have a case of beer—all the little cardboard reinforcements inside? If you have all those little cardboard reinforcements, then you can jump up and down on the case. But if you take them out, the case will crush under your weight. Those little partitions actually add up and act as stiffeners. So that's one of the first things we strip out. The second thing we do is drilling. Depending on the height of the structure, we'll work on a couple of different floors—usually anywhere from two to six. The taller the building, the higher up we work. We only really need to work on the first two floors, because—you can make the building come down that way. But we work on several upper floors to help fragment debris for the contractor, so all the debris ends up in small, manageable pieces. Other preparatory operations are covering—wrapping the columns with chain link fence and then in geotextile fabric, which is very puncture resistant and has a very high tensile strength. It allows the concrete to move, but it keeps the concrete from flying. The chain link catches the bigger material and the fabric catches the smaller material from flying up and out. We also sometimes put up a curtain around the entire floor, to catch the stuff that gets through these first two layers. That's really where your liability is.

i like her as a source

they need long to get everything right while onesided damage and uncontrolled fires can do the same in a few hours.

 

[beachnut]

they need long to get everything right while onesided damage and uncontrolled fires can do the same in a few hours.

It was not a few hours of fires, it was over 6 hours. And you are leaving out the major energy source for CD, it is gravity. You missed the point, CD are like gravity collapse, not gravity collapses like CDs. This is due to gravity.

Test it out, start a fire and do not fight it and see how long your house stays up. I wonder why firemen leave buildings whey they fear they will fall? There are examples of this, why have you failed to google your way into real knowledge? Oh, it takes judgment and knowledge; do you have any of that?

 

[DC]

Well, call them "Zionist" elves instead.

no, not al Jews are Zionists.
and i find it very strange that some ppl always have to bring up those 2 things. and msotly they seem to think that the 2 things are the very same.

btw, im atheist, what is your religion?

 

[pomeroo]

Pull it? what companys and who exactly did you talk to pls?

Sorry, I've posted the list often enough. You'll have to do a little work for yourself.

yes jovenko does NOT belive WTC 1 and 2 was CDed, never claimed anything else.

Stacey Loizeaux?

Controlled Demolition, Inc. Ever hear of it?

i like her as a source

Me too. She 's one of the biggest names in the demolition industry. That's why she's featured in all those documentaries.

they need long to get everything right while onesided damage and uncontrolled fires can do the same in a few hours.

But, what conspiracy liars fail to realize that their cherished myths aren't true. The collapse of WTC 7 wasn't neat. It didn't look like a controlled demolition. When people pay to have a building demolished, they expect better results.
Let's see: you know very little about physics, nothing about engineering, less than nothing about demolition. Why, that makes you one of the fantasy movement's leading authorities!

 

[DC]

It was not a few hours of fires, it was over 6 hours. And you are leaving out the major energy source for CD, it is gravity. You missed the point, CD are like gravity collapse, not gravity collapses like CDs. This is due to gravity.

Test it out, start a fire and do not fight it and see how long your house stays up. I wonder why firemen leave buildings whey they fear they will fall? There are examples of this, why have you failed to google your way into real knowledge? Oh, it takes judgment and knowledge; do you have any of that?

6 hours are a few hours and not a whole day long

and i never said that fires cannot lead to collapses. they sure can lead to total collapses. especially old wooden houses, but i think also steel framed buildings.
lets see some videos of total collapses do to fire or/and structural damage.
then we can compare it. and take a look if we can see a diffrence in them

i have my doubts about your judgment and knowledge abilitys

 

[beachnut]

6 hours are a few hours and not a whole day long

and i never said that fires cannot lead to collapses. they sure can lead to total collapses. especially old wooden houses, but i think also steel framed buildings.
lets see some videos of total collapses do to fire or/and structural damage.
then we can compare it. and take a look if we can see a diffrence in them

i have my doubts about your judgment and knowledge abilitys

6 hours are not a few. A few is 2 or 3 hours.

Fire destroys steel buildings as quick as wood. Sorry, you need to read real books and stop the youtube, google fest of anti-intellectual bs.

 

[beachnut]

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=O9bmnIISrvg

That sure failed to make a point.

 

[Mangoose]

6 hours are a few hours and not a whole day long

North Tower collapse was at 10:20something a.m. and WTC7 collapse was at 17:20something p.m.

17-10 = 6 ?

 

[DC]

Sorry, I've posted the list often enough. You'll have to do a little work for yourself.

then you only have to link to it thx

Controlled Demolition, Inc. Ever hear of it?

hard to not know them

Me too. She 's one of the biggest names in the demolition industry. That's why she's featured in all those documentaries.

she belongs for sure to one of the most known US Demolition Familys.

and she is for sure alot lot more experianced than jovenko.
i would never call Jovenko a leading Demo expert in the world, at max in Benelux, but not even europe.

But, what conspiracy liars fail to realize that their cherished myths aren't true. The collapse of WTC 7 wasn't neat. It didn't look like a controlled demolition. When people pay to have a building demolished, they expect better results.
Let's see: you know very little about physics, nothing about engineering, less than nothing about demolition. Why, that makes you one of the fantasy movement's leading authorities!

Beachnut just told me its totaly normal and do to gravity (i guess especiallty its direction is ment) that it looks like a CD.
and im sure he thinks he is one of the leading engineers
as if you could judge my knowldege into engineering
i do i agree that i know only a little about Demolitions, never claimed the contrary,

and for onesided damage and 6+ hours of fires it came pretty close to a CD when you consider their effort they normaly putt in prepwork.

 

[beachnut]

North Tower collapse was at 10:20something a.m. and WTC7 collapse was at 17:20something p.m.

17-10 = 6 ?

My estimate was off. Darn.

There were flames pouring out of WTC7 from many many floors. Sorry I didn't have a camera and didn't snap you a picture. But I saw it. You've read my account. Flames were shooting out of 75% of the floors on the south side of WTC7. And that was at about 2:30pm, I can only imagine how bad it got by 5 or 6. I saw it with my own eyes. It was a MASSIVE fire. and there was tons ond tons of debris piled up against the building.

I've said it before that it was OBVIOUS to anyone that was there that WTC7 was going to collapse.

It was an INFERNO!

Someone who was walking by during the many hours WTC7 was on fire. How do you get someone to understand fire?

 

[DC]

North Tower collapse was at 10:20something a.m. and WTC7 collapse was at 17:20something p.m.

17-10 = 6 ?

ok 6something to 7something hours.

 

[DC]

6 hours are not a few. A few is 2 or 3 hours.

Fire destroys steel buildings as quick as wood. Sorry, you need to read real books and stop the youtube, google fest of anti-intellectual bs.

in what kind of books can you read such things?

What steel exactly? and what wood exactly? or examples pls

 

[beachnut]

in what kind of books can you read such things?

What steel exactly? and what wood exactly? or examples pls

wood beats steel - darn - wood propaganda that is true. example you could find if you tried; you could have used all that thermo you said you have; in fact if you took thermo you would not be so challenged on these topics...

few hours is about 3, WTC7 was out of control fire until it fell a couple of few-s…

you can find the books if you try; but what is your purpose, just to spread the false ideas of 9/11 truth?

 

[scissorhands]

Heres a couple of links to help you stop embarrassing yourself any further, DC.
Timber joists load bearing capacity, last considerably longer in fires, than the structural equivalent in steel.

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire80/art009.html

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire82/art020.html

 

[aggle-rithm]

Heres a couple of links to help you stop embarrassing yourself any further, DC.
Timber joists load bearing capacity, last considerably longer in fires, than the structural equivalent in steel.

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire80/art009.html

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/fire82/art020.html

I think if he were capable of embarrassment, he would have quit long ago.

 

[Billdave2]

6 hours are a few hours and not a whole day long

and i never said that fires cannot lead to collapses. they sure can lead to total collapses. especially old wooden houses, but i think also steel framed buildings.
lets see some videos of total collapses do to fire or/and structural damage.
then we can compare it. and take a look if we can see a diffrence in them

i have my doubts about your judgment and knowledge abilitys

Just to clear one simple misunderstanding up real quick...

I think I am right in saying that you (DC) are not a native english speaker. Is this correct? If so you probably don't realize that in english the phrase "the whole day" usually does NOT mean 24 hours. When we say "the whole day" we generally mean about 8 hours, during daylight hours. "The whole evening" is about 8 hours from late afternoon till midnight, and "the whole night" is midnight till dawn. The can vary from person to person. For example, when I get home my wife may say "I spent my whole day cleaning house". She does not mean she spent 24 hours cleaning house (actually with my wife she really means about 20 minutes). 6 or 7 hours from early morning to late afternoon would easily equate to the english phrase "the whole day". So you can stop trying to imply that anyone here tried to claim that WTC7 burnt for 24 hours.

 

[applecorped]

I think at this point that it is apparent that DC can not/will not give a coherent reason as to why he believes WTC7 was a CD. Nonetheless this thread is a very good example of how some troothers operate. I think any new visitors (especially troothers) to JREF who have any questions concerning WTC7 and why it is not a CD should reveiw this thread before they "just ask questions".

 

[Miragememories]

I think at this point that it is apparent that DC can not/will not give a coherent reason as to why he believes WTC7 was a CD. Nonetheless this thread is a very good example of how some troothers operate. I think any new visitors (especially troothers) to JREF who have any questions concerning WTC7 and why it is not a CD should reveiw this thread before they "just ask questions".

Hopefully real truth seekers will ask sincere questions because you certainly aren't applecorped.

WTC 7 accomplished something only observed in controlled demolitions.

It performed a high speed balanced collapse, something unheard of in nature and difficult to accomplish with human engineering.

The only plausible explanation for this is a controlled demolition.

The controlled demolition expert Danny Jowenko is in full, unequivocal agreement that WTC 7 was an example of a controlled demolition.

Even NIST (as seen in their diagram below) hypothesize that a major column failure occurred on the east side of this city block structure.

To quote Dave Rogers;"..As a result, this initial failure did indeed lead the collapse.."

To keep Dave's remark in context, Dave was arguing from memory and believed the kink NIST referred to was close to center and that's why Dave believes "the collapse wasn't precisely vertical" which certainly suggests he accepts that it was close to vertical, or balanced.

Because NIST believes the failure occurred significantly east of building center, it is logical to believe, if you accept that collapse scenario, that WTC 7 should have had an unbalanced collapse as it's east side dropped and pulled the west side down after it.

As we know, this was not observable in any of the video views of the actual collapse.

The videos reveal a high speed collapse which maintains an amazingly level roofline, showing no suggestion that the east side roof dropped significantly and pulled the right side after it.

Observe the west side roofline below;

Both sides moved virtually in unison.

That is only achievable with controlled demolition.

MM

 

[MarkyX]

thats not what Jovenko said
what experts do you mean exactly?

You're going to take the opinion of one guy (who even says the Twin Towers wasn't a CD) over the rest of the world?