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DC: Why do you think WTC7 was a CD?

btw, what is your evidence that damage and fire caused the collapse?

We know there was damage.

We know there was fire.

Do you know of any other factors that might have led to collapse? Something that we know existed that day and is not simply the product of idle speculation?

No?

That's OK. I hadn't gotten my hopes up.
 
you got evidence that the collapse happened because of the damage and the fire?
and why was the penthouse the first thing to collapse? that was near column 81, the damage reported was on the other side.
what did the steel look like of the columns?
 
What are the qualifications to become a fireman? Most of the ones from my town are barely literate, firebugs and followers. I wouldnt trust their version of events if you paid me.

I don't care if they are brain-damaged troglodytes. Their version is simple, straightforward, fits the facts, and doesn't require the introduction of fantastic scenarios like silent explosives, non-existent thermite devices, secret demolition prep, or any of the other possibilities dreamed up by truthers in a desperate attempt to come up with an alternative story.

Your version? You don't have one. You know why? Because you KNOW the instant that you open your mouth and let fly any sort of narrative that somehow mashes the facts together with your fantasy of dark conspiracies, you will be hauled off to the nearest funny farm before you can say "faster than free-fall".

Therefore, you try to pick holes in the only narrative that even comes close to describing reality. You insult professional firefighters and engineers. You try to confuse the issue. You refuse to try to understand the issues you are debating about.

Think about it: If your beliefs were as iron-clad as you think they are, then WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO DO THIS?
 
you got evidence that the collapse happened because of the damage and the fire?
and why was the penthouse the first thing to collapse? that was near column 81, the damage reported was on the other side.
what did the steel look like of the columns?

It's the most likely explanation.

The building was damaged.
The building caught fire.
The building collapsed.

Even though correlation does not necessarily equal causation, in this case it makes perfect sense to accept provisionally that it collapsed due to damage and fire. Why would any sane person insist otherwise in the absence of further evidence? Especially since there was no reason to intentionally destroy the building and no plausible mechanism by which it might be done.
 
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you got evidence that the collapse happened because of the damage and the fire?

There's a legal expression that goes res ipsa loquitor, which translates into "the thing speaks for itself." It's applied when the preponderance of evidence is overwhelming in one direction.

There's always a risk in applying a concept developed for one sphere (in this case law) to another (science and engineering), but in this case I think it's applicable. Consider:

  • WTC7 was hit and severely damaged by falling debris. This is a proven fact.
  • WTC7 burned out of control for some 7 hours. Another indisputable fact.
  • Firefighters on the scene, experienced in this sort of thing, predicted the building would collapse.
  • No one can come up with an even remotely plausible reason how WTC7 could have been rigged with explosives while no one noticed, or even why anyone would want to do it in the first place.

For most of us, the preceding facts speak for themselves, leading overwhelmingly to only one reasonable conclusion. If you remain unconvinced, that's certainly your perogative. But consider this: do you really consider it more likely that someone rigged WTC7 with explosives, and then patiently waited until the adjacent towers were hit with planes, until debris fell on WTC7 and set it ablaze, waited another seven hours, and only then set off the explosives? I'm finding it hard to conceive how anyone can seriously consider that scenario as even remotely plausible, never mind more reasonable than the "official" version which, for most of us, seems self-evident.
 
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So, truthers, to sum up:

1. You have no idea how WTC7 might have been intentionally destroyed.
2. You have no idea why anyone would intentionally destroy it.
3. You have no evidence that it was intentionally destroyed.

Why do you continue to cling to this fantasy?

Personally, I would recommend that you take some time and work out at least two of these issues before posting further. Otherwise, it's a waste of time for everyone involved.
 
other buidling was alot more damaged that WTC7 till WTC7 was CDed then oc it was indeed damaged to its max.

düpflischiesser.



Demolition experts are unanimous in contending that preparing a 47-story building for demolition would require months of effort and tons of explosives. They regard the uninformed opinions of fantasists who pretend that the job could be done without anyone noticing as absurd. What are they missing and what is the source of your special knowledge?
 
Demolition experts are unanimous in contending that preparing a 47-story building for demolition would require months of effort and tons of explosives. They regard the uninformed opinions of fantasists who pretend that the job could be done without anyone noticing as absurd. What are they missing and what is the source of your special knowledge?

thats not what Jovenko said :)
what experts do you mean exactly?
 
There's a legal expression that goes res ipsa loquitor, which translates into "the thing speaks for itself." It's applied when the preponderance of evidence is overwhelming in one direction.

There's always a risk in applying a concept developed for one sphere (in this case law) to another (science and engineering), but in this case I think it's applicable. Consider:

  • WTC7 was hit and severely damaged by falling debris. This is a proven fact.
  • WTC7 burned out of control for some 7 hours. Another indisputable fact.
  • Firefighters on the scene, experienced in this sort of thing, predicted the building would collapse.
  • No one can come up with an even remotely plausible reason how WTC7 could have been rigged with explosives while no one noticed, or even why anyone would want to do it in the first place.

For most of us, the preceding facts speak for themselves, leading overwhelmingly to only one reasonable conclusion. If you remain unconvinced, that's certainly your perogative. But consider this: do you really consider it more likely that someone rigged WTC7 with explosives, and then patiently waited until the adjacent towers were hit with planes, until debris fell on WTC7 and set it ablaze, waited another seven hours, and only then set off the explosives? I'm finding it hard to conceive how anyone can seriously consider that scenario as even remotely plausible, never mind more reasonable than the "official" version which, for most of us, seems self-evident.

Danny Jovenko gave a scenario, i dont know if that is possible to rig it in a few hours, but thats his scenario, and he knows alot more about it than i do.

i think the damage fire scenario is very unlikely to happen. aybe not impossible, but very unlikely. if, then i must say it was a lousy bunker or commandcenter....
 
Danny Jovenko gave a scenario, i dont know if that is possible to rig it in a few hours, but thats his scenario, and he knows alot more about it than i do.

i think the damage fire scenario is very unlikely to happen. aybe not impossible, but very unlikely. if, then i must say it was a lousy bunker or commandcenter....

There's one little problem though, DC...there were no sounds of explosions prior to collapse. Explosives make great big "Boom" sounds. How do you explain the use of explosives without the sound of explosions?
 
There's one little problem though, DC...there were no sounds of explosions prior to collapse. Explosives make great big "Boom" sounds. How do you explain the use of explosives without the sound of explosions?
NWO Hush-a-Boom™ technology!
 
There were of course ELVES with laser beams who brought down WTC7. THAT is why there were no explosions.
AND THEY WERE JEWISH ELVES!!!!!111!!!11!!!!
 
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There were of course ELVES with laser beams who brought down WTC7. THAT is why there were no explosions.
AND THEY WERE JEWISH ELVES!!!!!111!!!11!!!!

why Jewish?


once again the debunkers bring it up, we didnt even talk about LS.........
 
thats not what Jovenko said :)
what experts do you mean exactly?


I'm referring to demolition experts from the companies I, personally, have contacted to refute the "pull it" canard. Jowenko, of course, believes that the Towers collapsed from the impacts of the planes and the resulting fires. We can agree, therefore, that his opinion is worthless.

Stacey Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition, Inc. has often observed that conspiracy liars are totally clueless about demolition. Much smaller buildings than WTC 7 require teams of specialists working for weeks, sometimes months, to get everything just right.
 

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