[Ed]Hardfire with Mark Roberts and Arthur Scheuerman

[GStan]

Again, Arthur backs up my point that the firefighting operations in 7 were stopped because of a lack of water pressure, not because of the severity of the fires.

So far you've stated that Arthur backs up two of your points but also that he is not qualified. Contradiction?

When will the 'shredding' begin?

 

[GStan]

Again, Arthur backs up my point that the firefighting operations in 7 were stopped because of a lack of water pressure, not because of the severity of the fires.

Do you believe that not fighting a fire, (for any reason), could possibly result in it becoming more severe, as opposed to one that is being fought?

 

[JHarrow]

Theres nothing to shred. Theres nothing new here.

Notice that in a full program dedicated to building 7 and its "tremendous fires" there is not one photo showing these fires.

Even the Fire Chief guest admits that the fire wasn't fought simply because of the water pressure, and that collapse zones are standard.

You have debunked yourself.

 

[JHarrow]

Do you believe that not fighting a fire, (for any reason), could possibly result in it becoming more severe, as opposed to one that is being fought?

Well if it became so severe then you will have no problems producing some images.

 

[CHF]

So far you've stated that Arthur backs up two of your points but also that he is not qualified. Contradiction?

Not at all!

It's called the Jowenko effect: experts are trustworthy so long as they agree with da twoof.

 

[JHarrow]

Ah, bang on cue, towards the end Gravy wheels out his standard strawman that the "FDNY are in on it".

This is closely followed by the standard appeal to emotion from Ron, "Arthur you knew some of the people that died"

 

[GStan]

Not at all!

It's called the Jowenko effect: experts are trustworthy so long as they agree with da twoof.

Yes, of course. Perhaps Dave Rogers can incorporate that into his list of TM fallacies.

 

[CHF]

Ah, bang on cue, towards the end Gravy wheels out his standard strawman that the "FDNY are in on it".

Strawman? A WTC7 demolition would require some level of FDNY co-operation.

At least Jason Burmass and Alex Jones were man enough to admit this...before backtracking, of course.

 

[pomeroo]

Ron, Thanks for this

No, thank you! If you guys weren't interested in the shows we produce, there would be little point in continuing.

 

[Myriad]

Notice that in a full program dedicated to building 7 and its "tremendous fires" there is not one photo showing these fires.

Yeah, man, the whole program was nothing but grown-ups, talking!

However, since your post didn't include any photos of the Hardfire show you're talking about, I suppose I should ignore it.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[JHarrow]

Theres nothing to shred. Theres nothing new here.

Notice that in a full program dedicated to building 7 and its "tremendous fires" there is not one photo showing these fires.

Even the Fire Chief guest admits that the fire wasn't fought simply because of the water pressure, and that collapse zones are standard.

You have debunked yourself.

Nobody has addressed this.

Hardfire programs usually include photographs. Not a single photo showing these fires was shown.

 

[dudalb]

I now think that JHarrow is not even a sincere if totally wack Truther;he smacks more and more of pure Troll every post.

 

[GStan]

Well if it became so severe then you will have no problems producing some images.

They've been linked for you many times.

You refuse to accept the truth of what the photos show, yet you also lack the courage to ask the relevant experts who were on the scene to clarify why your incredulity does not match their expert assessment of the situation. The path to knowledge is clearly laid out before you (again, <sigh>), but if you continue to wallow in ignorance, no one here can help ya bub.

 

[JHarrow]

Well, that was a complete non event. No wonder it didn't feature any truthers.

 

[CHF]

Nobody has addressed this.

Hardfire programs usually include photographs. Not a single photo showing these fires was shown.

Well that's the difference between people like you and the rest of us, JH.

When firefighters tells us there were massive fires in WTC7, we believe them. You, meanwhile, think they're either wrong or are shilling for the NWO.

 

[Myriad]

Notice that JHarrow has made at least seven posts since he claims to have watched the show, but he's included no photos of the show or photos of him watching it.

I wonder why not. Very suspicious.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[GStan]

Is anyone else experiencing that giddy "kid on Christmas morning" kind of excitement?

What a disappointment this turned out to be.

 

[pomeroo]

Theres nothing to shred. Theres nothing new here.

Notice that in a full program dedicated to building 7 and its "tremendous fires" there is not one photo showing these fires.

Even the Fire Chief guest admits that the fire wasn't fought simply because of the water pressure, and that collapse zones are standard.

You have debunked yourself.

I repeatedly ask this question of fantasists: Why is making a complete fool of yourself better than saying nothing?

You have watched a retired battalion chief explain that the FDNY performed splendidly in judging that the building was likely to collapse and managing a chaotic scene without further loss of life. The chief observed that firefighters look for evidence of explosives and didn't find any. He described what, in his opinion, were major factors in the collapse. He criticized laxity in the building codes.

You came away from the show with precisely nothing. You are stuck on the same brainless, baseless fantasy about an imaginary conspiracy wiring a building with explosives for no particular reason. Needless to say, you aren't embarrassed: if you were, you wouldn't be what you are. Do ever wonder if just possibly you might be missing something?

 

[pomeroo]

Well, that was a complete non event. No wonder it didn't feature any truthers.

I will always correct your falsehood. There were no conspiracy liars because they were afraid to show up.

 

[einsteen]

Was it really difficult to find an opponent, I can't imagine it ?

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Steven Reiser (Chemical Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Michael Reuter (Architectural Professional)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John Rexroat (Mfr. Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Richard Ricci (Ironworker)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]William Rice (P.E., Structural Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Graham Richardson (Building services)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Bruce Richey (AIA | Architect)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Gene Robinson (BS, Industrial engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark Robinson (BS Mechanical Engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Dominique Roddier (PhD, Naval Architect)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeff Rogers (MS ME, Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Tim Rohach (PE, MS ME, Mechanical Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Michael A. Rose (B Arch, Architect, ret.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Gordon Ross (Mechanical engineering, Production engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Joe Rowling (Architectural staff)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Henry Rozumski (Aerospace Engineer / Analyst)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Kevin Ryan (BS Chemistry, Certified Quality Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mojgan Saberi (BS Arch., Designer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Micah Saichek (Chemistry)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mike Schmidt (BSGE, Project Manager)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jörg Schneider (Dr hc, Structural Dynamics, Earthquake Engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John F. Shanahan (PE, Electrical Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Frank Shap (BS EE, Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]A.J. James Shieck (Architectural Technologist)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John Shinn (PhD, Chemical Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Wendy Sitler (Architectural Designer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jason Smith (Environmental engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Joseph Smith (BSEE, Electrical Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John Sotelo (BSME, MD, Mechanical Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Tom Spellman (BA Architecture, Civil Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Rob Steinhofer (MS Mechanical Engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Michael E. Stephens (PE, BS Geological Engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Arthur Stopes (Architectural Planner)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeffrey G. Strahl (BS, ME, Mechanical Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mike Swenson (PhD, Structural Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Chris Swigert (Architect)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Tony Szamboti (BS Mechanical Engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeffrey Tam (Architectural Professional)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Robert Tamaki (M.A.Sc., P.Eng., Civil Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Edwin Michael Taylor (EIT, Engineering Consultant)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]William D. Taylor (BS Engineering, PE)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Joseph Testa (PE, Civil Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Magnus Thompson (Engineering staff)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jasper Tomlinson (MA(Oxon) CEnv MCIWEM, Environmental and Water Resources Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Henri Tso (Architectural Professional)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Roger Twede (Engineering staff)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Gregory Urich (BS Electrical Engineering, Software Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Osvaldo Valdes (Architect)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Arnold A. Valdez (M. Arch, Designer/Planner)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Enzo Valenzetti (PhD Civil Engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Travis Van Brasch (Associate AIA, Design Principal)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Michael Voschine (PhD, Structural Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Kris Wagner (MSc Mechanical Engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Arnold B. Walker (BS Tool & Manufacturing Technology, Mechanical Engineer, ret.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jacob Weed (Architect)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]David Wilkins (Electrical Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jason Wilkinson (Architectural Professional)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Grant Williams (Construction engineer incl. seismic, structural engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ron Wilson (BS Electrical Engineering)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Doyle Winterton (BES, Structural Engineer, ret.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Torin Wolf (Building construction contractor, certified structural welder, certified asbestos and hazardous materials worker, experienced demolitions expert)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Elwin Wong (Architectural Professional)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ian Woods (BLA, Landscape Architecture)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Kurt Worthington (Urban Planner)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ken Wrenn (Civil Engineer)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Wayne Young (BS Civil Engineering)[/FONT]


ps. this was the first hit of a google find. An incomplete and retired list