Web....its been a long and difficult road but I believe its been worth it in the end....as you can see, you are entitled to speculate, its free speech.
Do you even know what "dog" means? There's no reason to dog anyone and that bullcrap about your quest for "evidence" doesn't get any more credible by endlessly repeating it -ya can't polish a turd TF. The very first time you asked for irrefutable "evidence" that those crates the crane hoisted did in fact contain weapons, webfusion doesn't deliver. How could he? If he is fabricating the crane thing and/or his being privy to Israeli intel, he obviously can't produce "evidence." If he's not fabricating what he claims, he still can't produce the irrefutable "evidence" you act like you need and you should know why unless you're so naive that you expect webfusion, and in extension, the Israeli intelligence community, to betray their assets just to make a semi-literate JREF poster calling himself "The Fool" shut the hell up. So, you didn't get your "evidence," evidence that was impossible to produce at any rate, and then what did you do? You continued to harp on it ad nauseum, page after page in a petty effort to discredit webfusion, as though his entire credibility balanced at the end of that one crane. You did this without ever contributing anything of substance yourself and curiously seem to think your behavior here was justified and Randi should pat you on the head for being a good skeptic. It's not and you're not.
Who's whining FT? Hell, I'm not even "sighing."
You obviously don't know me very well and apparently don't have much of a grasp of what goes on in the CT forum either. Try it, I think you'll find out there's a difference between webfusion and Truthers and you and the fine folks there that address those Truthers. For one thing they don't dog people, for another they actually bring something to the table, and lastly they actually debunk things, not simply nitpick ad nauseum in a pathetic quest for brownie points or to bait someone.
Aren't you being hasty here? I mean here you are claiming I have ears without ever seeing me. Do you have evidence for that claim? Maybe I should dog you about stating 'speculation as fact' for the next 3 or 4 pages over something this inane, eh? Heh, I'd be just like you then, wouldn't I?
No, asinine statement. The only attitude I'm addressing is yours and I sure as hell ain't defending it.
Israel has a pretty good track-record picking off militant leaders whether they're in vehicles or structures and, while there are collateral deaths, it's usually due to the noncombatants being in close proximity to those targeted. You should know that if you follow this stuff. That indicates good intel, not speculation. Riddle me this, can you provide any more evidence that weaponry was not smuggled in crates and hoisted into Gaza that day than webfusion brought to the table for the opposite scenario? Didn't think so. The only FACT here TF is that you don't know and you don't even seem able to recognize that you don't know. Somewhere along the way you have lost your ability to examine things objectively and consequently your skeptical rationality went out the window. Maybe it's a Jew thing or maybe it was never there in the first place, but whatever your story you seem to have forgotten that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You and I don't sit in on Israeli intel briefings nor know the reliability of webfusion's claims regarding inside information, so yeah, maybe he is making things up, but then again, maybe he isn't. We don't know, do we? There is one thing we do know though, arms are being smuggled into Gaza. When does the method of smuggling supersede the ramifications of the smuggling itself? The real answer is that it doesn't. Someone in Sderot doesn't give a rat's ass if the Qassams raining down on them happened to be in a crate hoisted by a crane at one point.
Don't you know that Webfusion just has to be taken on faith and faith alone?
Do you even know what "dog" means? There's no reason to dog anyone and that bullcrap about your quest for "evidence" doesn't get any more credible by endlessly repeating it -ya can't polish a turd TF. The very first time you asked for irrefutable "evidence" that those crates the crane hoisted did in fact contain weapons, webfusion doesn't deliver. How could he? If he is fabricating the crane thing and/or his being privy to Israeli intel, he obviously can't produce "evidence." If he's not fabricating what he claims, he still can't produce the irrefutable "evidence" you act like you need and you should know why unless you're so naive that you expect webfusion, and in extension, the Israeli intelligence community, to betray their assets just to make a semi-literate JREF poster calling himself "The Fool" shut the hell up. So, you didn't get your "evidence," evidence that was impossible to produce at any rate, and then what did you do? You continued to harp on it ad nauseum, page after page in a petty effort to discredit webfusion, as though his entire credibility balanced at the end of that one crane. You did this without ever contributing anything of substance yourself and curiously seem to think your behavior here was justified and Randi should pat you on the head for being a good skeptic. It's not and you're not.Who's whining FT? Hell, I'm not even "sighing."
You could have just asked for evidence and when not given it revel in your "victory" and move on FT. Instead you made a boorish arse out of yourself.
Looks nice, this Ramat Gan. I'll have a look at it later on in Google Earth.
I just thought about this "collective punishment" that's been in the talks here. Can't the qassam rocket attacks, or the suicide bombings also been labelled as collective punishment? Anyone thought of that?
I've trimmed the rest because you seem to have hit on the Idea. Even if you need to get some other issues off your chest.
you are asking me to prove a negative? If you hang around here a bit longer you will learn about claims and the onus of evidence. For example can you show me evidence that there is not an invisible pink unicorn in my broom closet? Does that lack of evidence improve the case for the existance of my invisible pink unicorn?
No, it's not a proven fact and I seemed to have missed the part where webfusion stated "true skeptics" need to accept it as same. As I already pointed out in post #348 I had no problem with your initial quest for evidence TF, it's your obsessive dogging and inability to provide anything of substance yourself that makes your motivations in this thread suspect.
No, just pointing out the folly of obsessing on one particular claim when A) you don't know what really was in those crates, B) it's an incontestable fact that smuggling has happened and continues to happen. Let me put it another way - this wasn't a "9-11 was an inside job" or Bigfoot claim where you would have every right to push for evidence until the claimant decided to put up or take his/her spiel elsewhere. Fact is, smuggling happens over there so I really didn't (and still don't) see the point of your obsession with regard to one claim of something you even concede happens.The Fool said:
Spare me the lecture TF. Don't let my low post count here fool you, I've been around and probably know more about rational skepticism than you do. BTW, I prefer the "invisible elf" analogy myself - woos hated it. My disagreement with you isn't over the necessity of evidence, it's over your inability to move on when webfusion didn't provide it in that one instance. I think webfusion made a mistake himself in stating the crane-thing as fact when, for reasons I've already covered in my prior post, he couldn't hope to qualify it. You had him TF but made yourself look bad by overdoing it. The only way I can agree with your persistence on that one instance of generally accepted smuggling is if you are skeptical that the smuggling actually occurs at all. I think Mycroft summed up my POV a page back and I'll post it again since you might have him on 'ignore:'the Fool said:
Heh, I should have nominated that post.Mycroft said:
I apologize for that TF. I laid it on a little thick in my prior post because I let my emotions fuel it and posted my reply before I should have. There was no way you could have known the personal cost 9/11 had on me, or why, when I read your "suggestion" regarding the Conspiracy Theory forum (which involves Truthers that milk what happened), I took it as more than a typical putdown. That's the primary reason you won't see me posting in too many Truther threads there, I'd get myself banned.The Fool said:
somewhere with warm climates and even tans? Sounds interesting, where is that? Bet 5 bucks its not Gaza.Anyway, I'd love to keep this going, as it beats the hell out of arguing over the merits of another lame field of presidential hopefuls or wading into the predictable conservative-liberal ideological scrums found elsewhere in the Politics forum but I'm headed for warmer climes for a few weeks where my primary concern will be getting an even tan without burning.
somewhere with warm climates and even tans? Sounds interesting, where is that? Bet 5 bucks its not Gaza.
