Re hypothetical question. No I wouldn't! and I would gladly supply product for such an experiment or trial.
I assume you’re answering my question about selling your product if you found it was a placebo. Thank you. I’m glad you wouldn’t sell it in that case.
Here’s the problem, though. You’ve provided no compelling reason to believe it’s anything other than a placebo. You’ve provided anecdotes (which any good placebo will produce), voodoo science (which harms your case, if anything), and a lot of excuses for not going to trials.
It’s not up to us to prove you’ve got a placebo. It’s up to you to prove you don’t. Until then, you have no right to say your products work beyond placebo. For this reason, by your own admission, you shouldn’t be selling it.
I don't make specific claims, I am not allowed to by law and can only if the results have been seen in a particular trial.
You do make specific claims. Both medical...
I have seen people with neck and shoulder pain and headaches that as far as they know was not caused by a particular injury but have been helped with a magnetic pad placed on the lower back.
and scientific...
...electrons do spin within an externally applied magnetic field.
This spin increases energy, this increased energy helps separate red blood cells, separated red blood cells which have increased energy potential will absorbe oxygen more efficiently than red blood cells stacked together AND will pass through a cappillary (stacked blood cells won't)
Asolepius addressed the following...
The problem with trials, as I see it, is that it has to be for a particular problem. However the causes are difficult to determine and it is the cause that is the problem.
I’ll just add that we don’t know the causes of lots diseases for which we have helpful therapies that were vetted in rigorous double blind trials.
Unless you remove the cause the problem will NOT go away and all doctors do is pump you full of painkillers and someone tell me that that is safe and healthy and not expensive in the long term????
The possible danger and expense of a standard treatment does not mean that your treatment is better. You actually have to show it’s better.
In my world I do what I do because it has made a difference to a lot of people and yes that tearfull mother made me feel good and perhaps pissed of the doctor who hadn't made a difference in all the time he or she has been treating the little boy.
It’s a great feeling to think you’re helping people, and I’m sure that’s all you really want to do. However, you’ve agreed you wouldn’t sell your product if it was a placebo, and you can’t seem to show that it isn’t. If you’re being honest with yourself, your conclusion should be that you need to demonstrate you’re not pedaling a placebo before you sell it.
Don't blame me for those who put the trials together, I offered but was too late and the company that they did use have a logo plastered all over the product and how do you remove the detection of a magnetic field in a product anyway? Put the product trialed near a metal object, object sticks to the magnet, trial flawed!
You admit that you haven’t done any trials. You have anecdotes and some misunderstood and garbled science with appeals to authority. Nothing you’ve posted shows that you’re selling anything but a placebo. By your own admission, you shouldn’t be selling it.
The problem is with sceptics is that you have been reading too many outrageous articles and refuse to admit that maybe there is something happening but because no has spent thousands of pounds or dollars to show what is actually is happening you find it difficult to accept and it seems that your sceptism is what you live for and missing the bigger picture.
Attack us all you wish. It doesn’t show you’re selling something other than a placebo.
I don't give a damn if those who havn't tried it for thenselves jump up and down in blickered ignorance just for the sake of it shouting " it can't possibly work, but I don't know why".
Not what we’re doing. We’re saying, show us it isn’t a placebo. We’d love to see the evidence.
I challenge any one to stand with me at an exhibition and call someone a liar who has felt relief from wearing one of my products and at the same time try to convince them that it couldn't possibly work. A simple trial for you to do ask someone who by wearing a magnet has helped and tell them to take it off!
Maybe you don’t know what a placebo is. Here’s a
Wikipedia link.
Forget the bit about MRI we've done that what does she mean by "blood is repelled"? and this is "evidence" from a fellow sceptic! How many of you have taken the time to comment on this?
You call an appeal to authority “evidence.” It simply isn’t. Most of all, it doesn’t show that your product is anything beyond a placebo.
I’m willing to believe you’re an honest guy who simply doesn’t understand science. You’re certainly not the only one. The problem is, you’re taking people’s money here. A truly honest person, when shown they may be mistaken, would take a step back and really assess their position.
You need to understand how placebos work (it’s an entire field of study unto itself). You need to get a handle on the science you’re bandying about. Most of all, you need to stop taking people’s money until you’re actually certain -- and can prove it -- that you’re selling what you think you’re selling.
I should charge for my advice, I know.
) Anyway, you must understand that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All the science we know about says that magnets are unlikely to have a health benefit. This doesn't mean they can't, it just means that we have to be extra careful about the evidence. There are no absolutes in medicine.
