Split thread: I sell magnetic therapy products

Sometime I wonder if scammers use our forum as an acid test for their ability to dodge attacks. Sounds like a good strategy to me... there's some real sharks around here. :gear_lol2:
 
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Madalch said:
You claim that your little magnets have an effect on blood; it has been shown that much more powerful magnets do not have such an effect.


It is not a fact of any sort. It is wrong. The iron in hemoglobin is in the +2 oxidation state; so it has two fewer electrons than protons. Those electrons are part of the rest of the hemoglobin molecule, which has no overall charge. Thus the hemoglobin molecule (including the iron) has exactly as many electrons as protons.


Yes, but to have a measurable effect, you'd need an extremely powerful magnet- not the little ones found in magnetic bracelets or talismans.
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You say "charge" whereas I was told "energy".

I hope "spell checker" doesn't see you miss spelt "such" above?
 
Locknar said:
Oh really?
Sounds like a claim (and a false one at that) to me *lol*
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And your evidence to the contrary is???
So! have any of you used the therapy? Know of someone that have used it?

With regard to mobile phones. Lets say that one day it will be shown that putting an "electromagnetic" (no I know its not the same as what we are generally talking about) field in your ear will be shown to be harmfull and the reason I said it to say that when that time comes I will be able to say "I told you so"
And yes, it wasn't that long ago that medical researchers said smoking was good for you!
 
Locknar said:
Oh really?
Sounds like a claim (and a false one at that) to me *lol*
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And your evidence to the contrary is???
So! have any of you used the therapy? Know of someone that have used it?

With regard to mobile phones. Lets say that one day it will be shown that putting an "electromagnetic" (no I know its not the same as what we are generally talking about) field in your ear will be shown to be harmfull and the reason I said it to say that when that time comes I will be able to say "I told you so"
And yes, it wasn't that long ago that medical researchers said smoking was good for you!
 
magnetic said:
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Only my concience will prevail if it absoultely proven that it cannot possibly work, then I will give up. Until then just as it is difficult to prove that it does work I will carry on. Do not judge me against your own values or of those who have upset you in the past. I had hoped at least that I had put across my integrity even if some or all of you think I am misguided that does make me immoral in what I do.
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Unfortunately, your morality is, indeed, in question here.

You offer a therapy you cannot prove. You justify it by saying, in essence, no one can prove it doesn’t work. You charge money. You may even be distracting people from legitimate therapies.

This simply isn’t the behavior or attitude of a highly ethical person. Myself, I chalk it up to ignorance. I suggest you put a halt to your sales until you’ve studied up on the placebo effect, medical ethics, and a nice grounding in biophysics. If you can still sell your product in all good conscience after that, come back and we’ll go another round.
 
magnetic said:
And your evidence to the contrary is???
So! have any of you used the therapy? Know of someone that have used it?

With regard to mobile phones. Lets say that one day it will be shown that putting an "electromagnetic" (no I know its not the same as what we are generally talking about) field in your ear will be shown to be harmfull and the reason I said it to say that when that time comes I will be able to say "I told you so"
And yes, it wasn't that long ago that medical researchers said smoking was good for you!
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So impressed with your post you had to do it twice eh?

Changing the subject to divert attention from yourself is a old tactic; you said you are legally not allowed to make claimes...then proceeded to make one.
It is not a FACT that it doesn't work it just hasn't been proven either way.
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How do you explain this apparent flagrant disregard for the law? Who can I report you too (for making claims)? For that matter, who is preventing you from making claims...the Claim Police (complete with Radio Shack fireman's helmet with red flashing light)?

The simple fact is, magnetic crap/"woo woo" like you sell is proven false; Randi has posted on this many times in his Swift. If you disagree...I'd love to see you take on Randi and try to prove your nonsense.

Consider applying for the MDC, or perhaps documenting your results to the AMA (or other medical associations). But you won't....you'll make silly statements ("I cannot legally make any claims"), try to change the topic, and point to "woo woo" blather vs accepted/proven medial science.
 
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magnetic said:
If putting a relatively inexpensive (in my case) product on the wrist makes a difference to someones bad back then why should you worry!
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So when a customer puts a magnet on his wrist and says his back feels better, do you consider that to be a placebo effect or do you really believe that something more than that is occurring?

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So if I put one of your magnets on my wrist and the magnet is powerful enough to repel blood, then wouldn't that mean that blood flowing down my radial artery will be repelled before it gets to my hand? Doesn't this repellent force prevent blood from getting to my hand?
 
magnetic said:
And your evidence to the contrary is???
So! have any of you used the therapy? Know of someone that have used it?
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Here you go.

Lanzy said:
I would also like a link, (I know your posts are low, but you've certainly used enough words by now) to "any" of the double blind studies used to prove magnets of any kind actually work. I have some severe cronic pain and would love relief without the daily pills I take. However, I tried magnets, nada, nothing, no relief. Of course maybe I haven't tried "yours". Placebos don't seem to work for me, wish they did.
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magnetic said:
Read my lips; "I cannot legally make any claims" so I don't.
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And you don't think there might be a reason for that? The fact that your claims are all either false or nonsense, and often both?

It seems that the biggest hangup is that people are making money out of helping people help themselves.
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No, the biggest hangup is that you are fraudulently taking money off people and appear to not only not care, but are actually proud of it.

"Only a fool values logic above feeling"
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Cute, but more appropriate would be "Only a fool values fantasy above reality."

magnetic said:
You say "charge" whereas I was told "energy".
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Charge and energy are not even close to being the same thing. Once again you prove that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

magnetic said:
With regard to mobile phones. Lets say that one day it will be shown that putting an "electromagnetic" (no I know its not the same as what we are generally talking about) field in your ear will be shown to be harmfull and the reason I said it to say that when that time comes I will be able to say "I told you so"
And yes, it wasn't that long ago that medical researchers said smoking was good for you!
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Oh noes! The evil electromagnetics are coming for us! Quick! Everyone hide in a perfectly dark room cooled to absolute zero!
 
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Magnetic seemed to miss my idea, so I'll repost it:
Crundy said:
If you want to "ethically" sell these items, you should have a disclaimer that says "These products have not been scientifically proven to work, but a lot of people find they help them, and we are therefore selling for those people who believe they work". That's ethical selling. If I see a joke voodoo doll in my local store I'm sure it would have a disclaimer saying it was a novelty item and would not actually harm anyone.
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magnetic said:
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Read my lips; "I cannot legally make any claims" so I don't.

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I don't believe you.

How do you market your "magnetic healing products"? When a potential customer asks you what your magnets do what do you tell them? Do you inform them that there's a good chance that they do nothing at all?

I doubt it.
 
I have seven Jacks not Parsons. This is Bandit, he's the boss.

Without getting specific (mainly I don't know the brand anymore) Bad car wreck, both knees, shoulder, ankles, both wrists injured in 1979. Desperate people try anything that might work. Magnets, hypnosis, accupuncture, for me I have found them all to be quite useless.
 
Well seems Mr Magentic has left the building; I guess he was not attracted to us, perhaps repelled by the questions we asked?

Please...stop me before I badly pun again *lol*
 
I refer you to post #83:

magnetic said:
I hope "spell checker" doesn't see you miss spelt "such" above?
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Miss Spelt is obviously someone associated with witchcraft and games. This "Spell Checker" is perceived a much simpler game than "Wizards Chess" of Harry Potter fame. Using the healing magic of magnets, you move your red or black pieces about a checkerboard. I understand this form of checkers is readily available in a "Magnetic Travel" version.

Madalch said:
What did I do?
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You Miss Spelt!

devnull said:
apparently you need a 'session' with 'Miss Spelt'. Im hoping she's a masseuse and not a hooker.....
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No, but her personality is, dare I say, magnetic!
 
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