Just what the world needs - Another Bigfoot thread

[historian]

Either it is or it's not; which is it? If you could give a page reference that would be grand.

"BF" sized bare footprints along side dinosaur ones; you'd think that would be pretty heavily covered...almost to the point of common knowledge...in paleontology. Odd I can't find mention of this.

Hopefully though, with your help and page reference you can shed some insight into this claim of yours.

p.178
"Geological Engineer John Morris, in his book "Tracking Those Incredible Dinosaurs and The People Who Know Them", discusses at length the Paluxy River enigma in Texas, where human-like tracks are commonly found in limestone deposits beside footprints of dinosaurs."

 

[Locknar]

p.178
"Geological Engineer John Morris, in his book "Tracking Those Incredible Dinosaurs and The People Who Know Them", discusses at length the Paluxy River enigma in Texas, where human-like tracks are commonly found in limestone deposits beside footprints of dinosaurs."

So then your claim is not in The Psychic Sasquatch?

ETA: This claim has largely been abandoned by the creationists as it is unsupported by the facts. There is a wealth of information that debunks the Paluxy River myth, such as this.

To be clear, Morris (a creationist) claimed the "footprints" found at Paluxy River were human, NOT BF as you (Historian) claim.

 

[historian]

So then your claim is not in The Psychic Sasquatch?

ETA: This claim has largely been abandoned by the creationists as it is unsupported by the facts. There is a wealth of information that debunks the Paluxy River myth, such as this.

To be clear, Morris (a creationist) claimed the "footprints" found at Paluxy River were human, NOT BF as you (Historian) claim.

READ MY LIPS.
p. 178 of The Psychic Sasquatch

Why do you keep trying to start arguements?

Nobody cares what fabrications that you pull out of thin air. Lapseritis visited the site and the footprints were TOO SMALL to be human. Furthermore, from his experience, they appeared to be EXACTLY LIKE BIGFOOT TRACKS that are found today.

What is your next outrageous claim? That Wallace placed them in the past, in one of his earlier lives?


Morris misidentified the footprints, most likely because he was not likely a believer in Bigfoot and thus was inclined to cherry pick his field observations.

 

[zooterkin]

Closest relative = closest DNA match to man

135 million years old = Bigfoot was on earth for at least 135 million years vs. modern man's 100,000 tops.

They have nothing to do with each other.

How does man get to be closely related to something which evolved that long before? Are we descended from bigfoot? How did bigfoot exist for so long and yet leave no trace? And, since it has left no trace, on what do you base this claim of 135 million years or existence? Finally, on what are you basing the claim of the DNA match, since there's been no DNA of bigfoot collected?

 

[zooterkin]

I'm starting to think that I'm bigfoot.

No, I'm bigfoot...

 

[Locknar]

READ MY LIPS.
p. 178 of The Psychic Sasquatch

Why do you keep trying to start arguements?

Nobody cares what fabrications that you pull out of thin air. Lapseritis visited the site and the footprints were TOO SMALL to be human. Furthermore, from his experience, they appeared to be EXACTLY LIKE BIGFOOT TRACKS that are found today.

What is your next outrageous claim? That Wallace placed them in the past, in one of his earlier lives?


Morris misidentified the footprints, most likely because he was not likely a believer in Bigfoot and thus was inclined to cherry pick his field observations.

What you just stated (or paraphrased from Lapseritis) can not possibly be true.

The "footprints" can not possibly be to small to be human, yet exactly like "BF" tracks found today.

As to the Paluxy River myth, while perhaps endorsed by Lapseritis (a "Maste Herbalist") it has largely been debunked by the scientific community.

 

[arthwollipot]

No, I'm bigfoot...

I'm bigfoot! And so is my wife!

 

[fromdownunder]

I'm bigfoot! And so is my wife!

I am Spatacus!

Sorry, just got the urge to say that all of a sudden.

[/derail]

Norm

 

[quarky]

Because I suspect that I may be bigfoot, I must now hide in the woods, and wait for someone with a crappy video camera. There's no sense fighting it any more.

Unless there's a support group.
I'd go to a meeting, if there was one.

 

[historian]

What you just stated (or paraphrased from Lapseritis) can not possibly be true.

The "footprints" can not possibly be to small to be human, yet exactly like "BF" tracks found today.

As to the Paluxy River myth, while perhaps endorsed by Lapseritis (a "Maste Herbalist") it has largely been debunked by the scientific community.

Your statement regarding the Paluxy River myth, is a blatant lie. But I am not calling you a liar, mind you. Footprints in limestone, are fairly difficult to make. Limestone is hard bedrock and not sandstone for instance.

 

[arthwollipot]

Your statement is a lie. But I am not calling you a liar, mind you.

Just because you say it doesn't make it so.

 

[rats]

...
Why the west coast? Because that is where many observers for the Lawrence Livermore National Labs, Bigfoot captivity study in the 60's, came from. And when they got home, they naturally could not contain their excitement. So everybody knew.
...

This sounds rather interesting. Did LLNL publish any results from such studies? Were there any local newspaper reports? I couldn't find any relevant details here, although I could only get the top two links to work - could someone in the US try the bottom three?

 

[Correa Neto]

Making footprints in limestone or sandstone?
Impossible (unless you carve them), since they are rocks.
Now, making footprints in sand (a type of sediment) that later will be lithified (consolidated) and become sandstone (a type of clastic sedimentary rock), this is possible.

Footprints in limestone?
Gentlemen, limestone is a chemical or biological sedimentary rock. As chemical sediment, it is deposited at the bottom of water bodies such as seas, lagoons and playa lakes. Quite often, however, it has a biologic source such as reefs built by coral or cyanobacteria. Now, what are the odds of a bigfoot (assuming they are or were real) or a human leaving a footprint at such stuff?

 

[Locknar]

Your statement regarding the Paluxy River myth, is a blatant lie. But I am not calling you a liar, mind you. Footprints in limestone, are fairly difficult to make. Limestone is hard bedrock and not sandstone for instance.

I've only made one statement regarding Paluxy River; in that the "footprints" aspect is a myth that has been scientifically debunked. Your non-acceptance of this or scientific fact, does not change its truth.

Perhaps you have other credible evidence/documentation you can lend to the discussion that the scientific community (et all) have over-looked? If so, please provide.

Specifically regarding the myth:

However, these anachronistic human footprints were shown to be either mistaken interpretation and even some outright fakes.

Further information regarding the Paluxy River myth can be found here (and LOTS of other places).

The above discussion aside, this does not change the inaccuracies in your previous statement(s), such as

Lapseritis visited the site and the footprints were TOO SMALL to be human. Furthermore, from his experience, they appeared to be EXACTLY LIKE BIGFOOT TRACKS that are found today.

As previously noted, the "footprints" can not be both smaller then a human, yet "EXACTLY LIKE BIGFOOT TRACKS that are found today."

For that matter, Lapseritis' amature observations wrt the "footprints" aside, Morris' book Tracking Those Incredible Dinosaurs has largely been discredited. The books publisher, as well as creationist groups such as the "Institute for Creation Research" have admited/concluded that Morris' claims in his book were wrong.

The "footprints" that Lapseritis wrongly claims "BIGFOOT TRACKS" were actually made by the central part of a 3-toed dinosaur's foot. More information on this can be found at the site I've referenced.

 

[uruk]

In all fairness, I don't think anyone apart from Historian is claiming that, and I don't think he's taken seriously by anyone inside or outside the bigfoot community.

Uruk, the BF community does not accept Historian's or Monstro's (or Beckjord's) versions of bigfoot. They pretty much point at them and laugh just like skeptics do.

It's unfair to saddle bigfootery with Historian, imo.

Sorry. I haven't been keeping up general Bigfootery. I am aware that there are serious crypto-zoologists looking into this.

But invisibility?, Multi-dimensional wa-hoosits? I'm sorry but this is the lamest attempt to desparately cling on to the belief of an ever increasingly mythical beast.

 

[uruk]

Closest relative = closest DNA match to man
{snip}

Oh great! We have physical evidence. DNA no less.

So where is the report? Who was the lab that did the comparison?, Who obtained the DNA sample? How was the DNA sample obtained? How was the source of the DNA sample verified?

 

[uruk]

READ MY LIPS.
p. 178 of The Psychic Sasquatch

Hey just because someone wrote it in a book doesn't mean it is true. I learned that when I was six years old. Where is the corroberating support and evidence?

{snip}

Nobody cares what fabrications that you pull out of thin air. Lapseritis visited the site and the footprints were TOO SMALL to be human. Furthermore, from his experience, they appeared to be EXACTLY LIKE BIGFOOT TRACKS that are found today.

Well if they were too small to be human footprints how could they be "bigfoot" footprints? Really tiny bigfeet? A mutant Bigfoot? Trans-dimensional teleportation causes you to shrink?

What is your next outrageous claim? That Wallace placed them in the past, in one of his earlier lives?

Well if you buy trans-dimensional, invisible, spirit-ball-photographing bigfeet why not past lives? Maybe Wallace used trans-dimensional/time traveling to fake the foot prints and the process made him shrink and that's why the footprints are too small.

Morris misidentified the footprints, most likely because he was not likely a believer in Bigfoot and thus was inclined to cherry pick his field observations.

Well you said yourself that the footprints were too small to be human.

 

[arthwollipot]

Well if they were too small to be human footprints how could they be "bigfoot" footprints? Really tiny bigfeet? A mutant Bigfoot? Trans-dimensional teleportation causes you to shrink?

According to historian? Gnomes.

Seriously. Gnomes.

Historian believes that interdimensional gnomes and leprechauns exist too. One of these "little people" undoubtedly made the footprints.

 

[Spektator]

From "Human Tracks Sprouting Dinosaur Toes," by Jim Jones, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, February 22, 1986, pp. 21A-22A: geological engineer John Morris, author of Tracking Those Incredible Dinosaurs..., is interviewed after having revisited, in the company of a paleontologist, the "man tracks." The paleontologist showed Morris the undeniable dinosaurian characteristics of the "man tracks," and Morris concludes to the reporter, "As much as it hurts me, it is very likely that my original interpretation was wrong." Another "man's footprint" is revealed to be a modern carving (there were actually a bunch of these, but they're easily identified as fakes because they did not depress the original mud from which the limestone was formed, but rather cut right through the layers of stone).

It isn't clear why Lapseritis didn't know this when he wrote his own book--except that Morris remained very coy about his misinterpretation of the tracks, and it's possible that outside of creationist and paleontological circles the debunking of the tracks didn't get much press attention. The book and a film about the Paluxy tracks were disowned by the Institute for Creation Research, though copies probably still circulated.

Anyway, none of the original discoverers claimed these were bigfoot prints.

 

[Belz...]

Step 1. Get off lazy arse
Step 2. Find courage
Step 3. Go to dark forest after midnight with flash digital camera
Step 4 Listen
Step 5. Take pictures
Step 6. Run like hell out of there.

Gosh, I love those cryptozoo nutters.