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[Merged]Atheism is a really bogus philosophy

martillo said:
Yeah, there appears to be a lot of that misunderstanding going around.

fls: Should I not assume anyone here naming themself an atheist is not also a physicalist? If a physicalist, what's the problem with 100% certainty that intelligent direction is not available?

Hence, the question to you. What order have you found that doesn't allow your 100% denial?
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martillo, are you joking or have you simply never studied any probability? Wait, I bet I know. Here's you a linky to read that might help. It has links at the top to previous posts, since it is a followup to them, if you get lost.
 
martillo said:
Should I not assume anyone here naming themself an atheist is not also a physicalist?
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You should not

Atheism is simply without theism

It implies nothing more

  • Not a philosphy
  • Not physicalism
  • Not an endorsement of evolution

Just without theism

Don't complicate it
 
bwinwright said:
To deny the existence of an intelligence which is both wiser and more powerful than man means you must believe that ORDER DOES NOT REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION. The FACT is, this is impossible!
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That's always been obvious and common sense. The problem is that it's the wrong solution in a great many cases in which it has been posited.

Since we started looking for natural solutions we've found this amazing process called evolution through natural selection, which is infact capable of 'designing' things without intelligent thought by the process of random mutations tempered by selection. Evolution has even been used in the form of evolutionary algorithms to find better technical solutions, e.g. airplane wings, than the 'intelligent design' of the engineers could provide.

If there is a god it appears to have either went to great lengths to pretend it does not exist, or it designed the original parameters of the universe and then went out on a 13 billion year lunch break.

It doesn't solve anything in the case of why anything exists at all either, as you're left with an even more profound mystery of why such a bizzare thing as god exists at all.
 
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soylent said:
...you're left with an even more profound mystery of why such a bizzare thing as god exists at all.
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Profound? I have a hunch the reason is rather shallow, in a 'one size fits all' kinda way
 
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I am an acolyte of Toto. Praise Toto! (Y'all thought He was just a small Cairn Terrier, didn't you?) I perform the cleansing rites for Toto's pooper scooper.
 
If there is a God, prove it!

:rolleyes: It didn't take long to discover that this site is to atheism what the Catholic church is to homosexuals. In my experience, atheists always seem to be people nobody likes very much, so they had to be different by claiming to be an atheist, to justify why nobody likes them.

I agree with Neale Boortz, the radio talk show host from Atlanta, regarding atheism. He says that no rational person could possibly be an atheist.

Of course, I can understand labeling yourself an atheist to avoid the perception that you may be associated with an organized religion. Of course, simply telling people how you feel about organized religion should suffice.

However, this idea that there is no God, or a form of intelligence capable of producing orderliness which dramatically transcends man's demonstrated capabilities, is absolutely ludicrous to me. Why?

Because to deny the existence of such an intelligence necessarily means one must believe orderliness does not require intelligent direction. This is the primary error in the philosophy of atheism.

The problem with claiming to be an atheist, totally rejecting the idea of some transcendent, super-powerful, even ineffable form of intelligence simply because nobody can show you a Polaroid of this being, your PROOF, YOUR FACTS, you are essentially telling this "stuff", whatever it is, that you don't need it or want it at all. Why? Because, to the atheist, this "stuff" doesn't even exist. The ultimate in arrogance comes from the depth of ignorance, doesn't it?

Outside of what you call NATURE, which the atheist believes just happened as a result of some kind of cosmic luck, can any of you really smart people give me just one example or orderliness that did not require intelligent direction?
 
Whoa way to whinny and not a conspiracy. Shouldn't this be in religion?

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Hey that was sneaky transferring it to religion while I wrote the message above......is that action a conspiracy? LOL
 
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