Who actually committed the crime on 9/11?

[tsig]

Check a Latin-English Dictionary with some years on it: Novus Ordo Seclorem means "The New Secular Order."

Viz: "The Pocket Oxford Latin Dictionary" - a 1913 reprint.

Learn something new everyday.

Come out of Babylon...or just learn to be a better American.[/QUOTE

It means New Order of the Ages. Get over it.

 

[T.A.M.]

More like you're trying to ring a sugar cube.

Where did you get this from? Not that it matters since the plane was witnessed hitting the Pentagon.


You're either simply misinformed or lying.

Was it a stand down or shoot down? Also, what defenses?


1. Oswald killed JFK.

2. What in blue monkey Jesus are you talking about when you say "Roman Catholic votes on the SC", and why does it matter if they were Roman Catholic?

3. If Bush knew what was going on Why did he just sit there? Why not rush off to look the hero?

Sugar cube.

Stop right there. You are claiming to believe that Bush and Co. were behind their murders. 3,000 innocent Americans... Murdered... by Bush and Co. You talk of the oath you took when you joined, and of the constitution, and people you swore to defend. You are posting on an internet forum. Let me say that again You. Are. Posting. On. An. Internet .Forum. Why are you not camped out in front of the White House or on the Mall, or at Ground Zero, DEMANDING justice?

Is that too much work?

Ok Why are you not gathering the many people you say know what is really going on, and marching on DC? It's been done before you know.

You're new here so I mention it again.

Look up "The Silent Sentinels" For about 2 1/2 years they were outside of the White House rain, shine, sleet and snow every day except Sunday. If those women were arrested or beaten they dealt with it and stood strong in their beliefs.

Look up "The March from Selma to Montgomery". Hit with rocks and bricks. Attacked with billy clubs and bull whips. Fire hoses and dogs. They regrouped, dressed their wounds, and two days later did it again. Due to court orders they marched to the bridge and turned back so as to keep within the law. About 2 weeks after that they marched into Montgomery. Women and men this time. One of the women gave birth to my mother.

Yet for some reason all we see from those who believe that on 9/11/01 the US government killed 3,000 of it's own citizens, is making a few cut and paste internet vids, handing out fliers if the weather isn't too bad, and big talk of revolutions and justice on the internet.

Piss poor that.

Needed to be said, and well said!!

TAM

 

[peteweaver]

Bush did 9-11...not in a vacuum or without an established faction.

HOW ?

 

[Par]

Bush and Cheney and their accomplices must be tried, convicted and hanged.

So, you want to see trials – trails for which the outcomes are predetermined. There are names for trails like that. You wax about your patriotism and the need for others to be “better Americans”, but it seems that you’d be more at home in Stalin’s Soviet Union.

 

[iAmerican]

...begins with a single step

...It means New Order of the Ages. Get over it.

And tell us of the insignificance of the ISI's $100,000 payment to Mohammed Atta...or the 9/11 Carlisle Group "conjunction"...

Do I have to give you the page number in "Oxford's Pocket Latin?"

Are you an innocent dupe raised Roman Catholic and conformed to "obedience," or do you want to begin the path to American independent sovereignty?

Hello?

 

[Par]

...so...what's the latest fiction as to why no Arabic, or even Arabic-sounding, names appeared on any of the sedulously maintained, computerized passenger lists?...

No you just can't tell the difference between a passenger and a victims list. Try reality for once.

Didn't the loons abandon this myth over a year ago? Well, if they can keep recycling the "pull it" nonsense, I suppose this chestnut deserves another outing. http://911myths.com/html/no_hijackers_on_the_manifests.html

Yeah... and not like we haven't discussed this ad-infinitum (and ad absurdum) here. Here's just the first few results from doing a search for "passenger manifest" for this forum:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63483
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63483
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2258821
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78067&page=2
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85260
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75988
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70246

iAmerican is just recycling the old myths over again. He hasn't even tried to find the new stuff.

The plane was witnessed sweeping up over the Capitol just as the noise swept over The Hill from the Pentagon...

It seems that you’re no longer all that keen to discuss the passenger manifests. One wonders why that might be.

 

[iAmerican]

You first, you can't un-ring a bell. Bush did 9-11, and, not incidently, he happens to be a draft-dodging closet-queen whose father killed John Kennedy and whose grandfather was Hitler's banker. The jig is up, your Fifth Column is going down. Look for a rat hole, quick.

 

[Par]

You first, you can't un-ring a bell. Bush did 9-11, and, not incidently, he happens to be a draft-dodging closet-queen whose father killed John Kennedy and whose grandfather was Hitler's banker. The jig is up, your Fifth Column is going down. Look for a rat hole, quick.

So, you still don’t want to discuss the flight manifests.

 

[SpitfireIX]

If that's true then explain why OBL wasn't added to the FBI's most wanted list before for the 1998 embassy bombings. Also has OBL now been added to the list?

I don't need to explain that, as bin Laden was on the FBI's Most-Wanted List for the embassy bombings prior to September 11, 2001. Here is his "wanted" poster; note that it's dated June 1999 (and revised in November 2001). And before anyone demands proof that this poster wasn't antedated by the Men in Black, I have personal knowledge that bin Laden was on the list, as I joked to a friend in August 2001, "Well, I know how we can solve all of our money problems. All we have to do is capture Osama bin Laden; there's a five-million dollar reward for him." I'll regret having made that joke at that time for the rest of my life.

I have to say, proxywar, that this is a rather inauspicious beginning for you here, asking such a grossly ignorant question in just your second post, when you could have easily learned the truth merely by checking the FBI's web site.

 

[twinstead]

You first, you can't un-ring a bell. Bush did 9-11, and, not incidently, he happens to be a draft-dodging closet-queen whose father killed John Kennedy and whose grandfather was Hitler's banker. The jig is up, your Fifth Column is going down. Look for a rat hole, quick.

Yup. You don't even care if any of your 'evidence' is actually true, do you? Being actually able to support your beliefs is irrelevant because you don't consider your position an opinion, you consider it fact, no questions asked, no verification required and anybody who dares question it and require evidence to support your diatribes is just part of "Them", worthy of only contempt.

That about cover it?

Now. Back to the flight manifests. We have to start somewhere showing you how you like to use lies and falsehoods to support your world view. And there's PLENTY more where that comes from.

 

[proxywar]

I don't need to explain that, as bin Laden was on the FBI's Most-Wanted List for the embassy bombings prior to September 11, 2001. is his "wanted" poster; note that it's dated June 1999 (and revised in November 2001). And before anyone demands proof that this poster wasn't antedated by the Men in Black, I have personal knowledge that bin Laden was on the list, as I joked to a friend in August 2001, "Well, I know how we can solve all of our money problems. All we have to do is capture Osama bin Laden; there's a five-million dollar reward for him." I'll regret having made that joke at that time for the rest of my life.

I'll tell you right now I'm not ignorant to google.
I'm testing the waters of reasonale here. I'm seeing who knows their mind and who doesn't. I'm seeing who's resreached and who's isn't.

I have to say, proxywar, that this is a rather inauspicious beginning for you here, asking such a grossly ignorant question in just your second post, when you could have easily learned the truth merely by checking the FBI's web site.

I'm sorry you saw my apporach as being anti-learned because I wanted to know how you reasoned. I was only feeling your mind set out.

I'm well ware truthers can't prove you wrong.

 

[TheRedWorm]

To clear up any confusion, proxywar, would you mind telling us all where you stand on 9/11?

 

[proxywar]

Check a Latin-English Dictionary with some years on it: Novus Ordo Seclorem means "The New Secular Order."

Viz: "The Pocket Oxford Latin Dictionary" - a 1913 reprint.

Learn something new everyday.

Come out of Babylon...or just learn to be a better American.

"Novus Ordo Seclorum
on the Great Seal of the United States of America, is apparently an allusion to line 5 of Virgil's "Eclogue IV," in an 18c. edition: Magnus ab integro seclorum nasitur ordo "The great series of ages begins anew." The seal's designer, Charles Thomson, wrote that the words "signify the beginnings of the New American Era." (see Annuit Coeptis)."

Unfortunantly I can't leave links yet, but you can feel free to look up the Etymology of Novus Ordo Seclorum to comfrim what I've quoted.

 

[proxywar]

To clear up any confusion, proxywar, would you mind telling us all where you stand on 9/11?

Let me put it like this I detest jason bermas. Espeically when he tried to act like a structural engineer in his debate with marky roberts who by the way crapped all over him because he had actually read the whole entire nist report.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Still trying to un-ring the bell, eh? Indict, and impeach on the evidence provided. Treason trial, conviction, full expropriation and execution to follow. Deal with the facts. Millions of Americans and people around the globe watched Larry King that night - with the eyewitness accounts, freely given from workers on Capitol Hill, of the passenger jet swooping up over the Capitol...in the direct line from the Pentagon and its Columbia Pike approach path. Maps of the flight path were published in newspapers the next day, before the "spin" could be put together to deal with those who had yet to conform their "take" on the power elite's lie...like "poor" Jamie McIntyre's laughable efforts.

Your "catch up" is too late for those who wish to confine their perspective to the knowable truth...no "memory hole" available. E.S.&D. if Death for Treason isn't what you require, Tory.

Still trying to dodge the facts?

http://emptv.com/research/loose-chan...ht-77-wreckage
http://911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

The wreckage was of a 757; arguing otherwise is arguing reality.

And: What evidence? You haven't provided any. Accusations are not evidence. You provide none. "Millions of people watched Larry King..."? And what? What evidence about treason does Larry King's show provide? Maps of the plane's flight path? What about those prove treason?

You're empty of content. Your rhetoric falls flat. If you want to make a real point, then provide a real argument.

 

[twinstead]

You're empty of content. Your rhetoric falls flat. If you want to make a real point, then provide a real argument.

iAmerican is indeed in the wrong forum if he expects empty rhetoric to convince anybody here of anything.

It ASTOUNDS me that one can use lies, half truths, conjecture, rumor, and historical revisionism to support an entire world view. It's sad.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

You first, you can't un-ring a bell. Bush did 9-11, and, not incidently, he happens to be a draft-dodging closet-queen whose father killed John Kennedy and whose grandfather was Hitler's banker. The jig is up, your Fifth Column is going down. Look for a rat hole, quick.

You're right, Par, he'd clearly dodging the passenger manifests issue. And the 757 wreckage issue too. He just doesn't want to deal with substance, it appears.

So, i (for "ignorant) American? Care to actually address facts?

PS. You need to cut it out with the empty Catholic quips. I was indeed raised Catholic, and nothing you've presented faintly resembles nothing I've ever witnessed or experienced in church or Catholic school. Although, at the risk of tripping Goodwin's law, it does eerily echo the rhetoric I've read of that period in Germany's history: Unsubstantiated charges, singling out of a religious group for scapegoating without proof, appeals to the "true" character of the nation... very Aryan.

 

[proxywar]

And tell us of the insignificance of the ISI's $100,000 payment to Mohammed Atta...or the 9/11 Carlisle Group "conjunction"...

I've done searches on this before and everytime it comes up with the same answer which is the 9/11 comission remains unknown about the funds.

The Pittsburgh Tribune noted: "There are many in Musharraf's government who believe that Saeed Sheikh's power comes not from the ISI, but from his connections with our own CIA."


And that is the kind of thing that can mess with your head on this issue. I remain pretty skeptical on this one actually.

One thing I know for sure is Gen. Mehmood Ahmed wired the funds to atta. The Wall street journal, times of india, and indian intelligence all confirmed Gen. Mehmood Ahmed did wire the money to atta. whether the CIA had anything to do with it I just don't know.

Someone else might have looked deeper into it than me on this site who does know.

 

[Wildy]

Indict, and impeach on the evidence provided. Treason trial, conviction, full expropriation and execution to follow.

Well you sound very democratic. In the same way that The Party in Nineteen Eighty-Four was the protector of democracy.

However here you don't get to use doublethink. You will have to explain to me how setting up undemocratic trials is supposed to save US democracy. As various historical figures have shown, you can't be undemocratic to save democracy.

 

[twinstead]

iAmerican has Joseph Stalin written all over him. Thank heaven there's not a whole lot like him or there'd be certain trouble.