[Merged]Atheism is a really bogus philosophy

fls said:
Mega, dude.

Linda
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As an entity which was raised in the area and timeframe from the location of whence these colloquialisms originated, I thusly and exclusively reserve the right to use the phrase:

'Mega-Bogus'

I shall now proceed to "jam-out", with my "righteous" and "totally bitchin"
"Ghetto-blaster" whilst I "scarf down" some "most seriously excellent" "grubbage".
:D
 
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Zarathustra said:
As an entity which was raised in the area and timeframe from the location of whence these colloquialisms originated, I thusly and exclusively reserve the right to use the phrase:

'Mega-Bogus'

I shall now proceed to "jam-out", with my "righteous" and "totally bitchin"
"Ghetto-blaster" whilst I "scarf down" some "most seriously excellent" "grubbage".
:D
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Awesome!
 
Zarathustra said:
As an entity which was raised in the area and timeframe from the location of whence these colloquialisms originated, I thusly and exclusively reserve the right to use the phrase:

'Mega-Bogus'

I shall now proceed to "jam-out", with my "righteous" and "totally bitchin"
"Ghetto-blaster" whilst I "scarf down" some "most seriously excellent" "grubbage".
:D
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Most excellent. Party on.
 
As mentioned previously, atomic clocks are far more accurate than anything created by TOTO:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock

These clocks so accurate they can measure the change in the earth's rotation, rotation of neutron stars, etc. Since man is able to detect the errors in TOTO's creations, doesn't that make man superior?
 
bwinwright said:
:D In my opinion, atheism is a bogus philosophy, at least for all practical purposes. Maybe it's just a crappy word. Sure, I can understand someone wanting to call their self an atheist to avoid being associated with some organized religion, which I believe are also bogus as Hell.

However, to suggest you do not believe in an intelligence and power which dramatically transcends that of mankind is, to me, ludicrous. Maybe this intelligence and power is really called TOTO or something else. However, to deny that it exists is absolutely ridiculous. Why ridiculous?

To deny the existence of an intelligence which is both wiser and more powerful than man means you must believe that ORDER DOES NOT REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION. The FACT is, this is impossible!

There are numerous examples of incredibly sophisticated and complex orderliness which are beyond the capabilities of man to produce. An eagle, for example, can do things man simply can not replicate, regardless of the nature of man's efforts. Plus, the eagle can reproduce.

The EARTH, itself, is traveling through space at 18.51 miles per second or 66,636 mph, constantly, on its annual orbit around the Sun which it completes once every 365.2422 days, precisely. This mechanical process is far more durable and precise than any watch or clock man has ever been able to make.

Therefore, call it God, TOTO, or whatever you like..but it "is" here. To deny it is simply insanity. Therefore, you atheists need to be more specific or people will just think you're NUTS!!!!!
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Although it is possible (though, to me, pointless) to philosophize about/on atheism or to declare atheism a religion by fiat (no other "reason"), atheism is neither a philosophy or a religion. It is simple recognition of the fact that there is no rational proof of the existence of a deity of any kind. There are anecdotes, unconfirmed statements, beliefs and belief structures for many such, but no real, clear, unambiguous, well witnessed/recorded case of the appearance or activity of any such, claimed or unclaimed has occured.

If you choose, for whatever reason, to believe any part of that paragraph is incorrect then you need to provide proof. The presence of one omni-functional being should cover that nicely. Bring it on!!!:)
 
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martillo said:
What order have you found that has allowed you to deny at 100% probability involvement of intelligent direction?
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I'm not Linda (although I might demand the right to be), I am an atheist... and I see no need to "deny at 100% probability involvement of intelligent direction", its more that I see no reason to believe in any woo

If you or anyone else can provide me with ANY reason to believe, I will revise my stance accordingly

Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970) said:
I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong.
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martillo said:
Yeah, there appears to be a lot of that misunderstanding going around.

fls: Should I not assume anyone here naming themself an atheist is not also a physicalist?
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How are you using "physicalist"? I don't understand what that has to do with intelligent direction - i.e. they don't seem to be mutually exclusive.

If a physicalist, what's the problem with 100% certainty that intelligent direction is not available?

Hence, the question to you. What order have you found that doesn't allow your 100% denial?
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Whether or not I consider anything in particular is the extent to which it is necessary, sufficient and useful. If I 'deny' something it is none of those things. I suppose I may have to define 'deny' at some point?

Linda
 
bwinwright said:
To deny the existence of an intelligence which is both wiser and more powerful than man means you must believe that ORDER DOES NOT REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION.
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Order (looks around), which order? :confused:
 
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bwinwright said:
To deny the existence of an intelligence which is both wiser and more powerful than man means you must believe that ORDER DOES NOT REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION. The FACT is, this is impossible!
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If you are saying that a complex being or system (e.g. the precise movements of the planets, which I agree is wondrous) must require an even greater complexity and intelligence behind it, then you've run right into a huge gaping problem. Who made the maker? By your reasoning god, who is far beyond anything we can conceive, couldn't exist without an even greater intelligence as his maker. But that being too would need its own even greater maker... and so on. For those of you who know the joke, it's turtles all the way down.

I don't think that is a convincing argument against the existence of god, by the way- but I will take it as evidence that an eagle and our planet's orbit do not owe their existence to a prime mover.
 
bjb said:
As mentioned previously, atomic clocks are far more accurate than anything created by TOTO:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock

These clocks so accurate they can measure the change in the earth's rotation, rotation of neutron stars, etc. Since man is able to detect the errors in TOTO's creations, doesn't that make man superior?
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You win the Beerina(tm) Bitchslap Pwnmaster Award for today.
 
I saw TOTO live at the Santa Monica civic, in '81

they surely shook the seats......I now realize (american spelling) my shortcomings.

I will now and forever bow down to a great studio band. ;)

and they were GREAT!

ETA: who the hell was "saint monica", sure I had an affair with a Monica in '84, but she was no "Saint".......in fact, she was quite the "sinner"
 
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