Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[LTC8K6]

Oh, Okay. That solves it. Bigfoot must not exist then since Treadwell never mentioned them or photographed them. Gee, what was I thinking?

If you had been thinking, you'd have noticed that I did not say whether Treadwell had anything to say about sasquatch. I actually don't know.

I have always stated that if you want to see bigfoot*, don't do what the BFRO and other groups do. Don't get a bunch of noisy people tramping all over the woods beating on trees and broadcasting weird sounds, and leaving weird scents all over, etc.

You'd need one person to stay in the woods for a long time, live in the woods, get the city smell off, get dirty and be much more a part of the wilderness. Then you'd have a much better chance of an encounter, assuming bigfoot is a real primate.

*The conventional bigfoot, not the Beckjord/Historian version.

 

[Dancing David]

You might consider referring back to your Psychology 101 textbook and look up "living in denial". Doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize it. You seem to keep posting the same thoughts over and over again, implying that repetitive field observations (hundreds of observations) that does not not align with your perception of reality, are a trick of someone elses mind instead of actually being a trick of your own mind. That's nuts. You should consider either turning in you license to practice psychology without a license, or retiring from that field altogether.

Gosh Misster, that sure was a lot less neutral than anything I said. I am just putting in my two cents. There are many places where perceptions occur without evidence that provides a reasonable expanation of causal relationships.

There are literally millions and millions of people who believe all sorts of things that have little evidence for them. I will try to list some of the less controversial ones, although politics is a great place for them, I think Milton Friedman's meme of 'free markets create liberty' is a good one, when "access to material goods creates liberty' would make just about as much sense. Um lets see "humans are the pinnacle of creation", "western societies are the most advanced", "there are no atheists in foxholes" and "humans wiped out the large megafauna on the north american continent" are some good examples. This without even getting into the cultural/social quagmire of such things as racism, the superiority of certain social and cultural norms and "rich people are obviously better are doing things".

But 'hundreds of field observations' makes about as much sense to me as "the earth sure looks flat", "those students are lazy" and the "war of christams". To have a perception is different from finding a causal relationship. I am one who as a pagan nihilist buddhist puts much credence in the subjective experience, however the evidence based nature of causal relationships is a seperate matter, especialy when we come to such things as the Bell Curve and other 'scientific' explanations of racism.

I am not knocking your beliefs and I respect them, yet i will just point out that while they have great validity in your subjective experience I will be somewhat more cautious in the assignment of a causal relationship as to the nature of what generates your experiences.

I worked with a man who thought he was Elvis for ten years and another man who didn't like to go out on sunny days when he was high because he thought god would see him and be mad about his drug use. I also know good family members who think that the 'war on christmas' is a real thing.

As for your foolish rantings, they are vidence of your thought process and lack of critical thought, BTW you do not need a liscense to study the science of perception and sensation.

 

[doctoratlantis]

The NSA does not want the public to realize these invisible characteristics because 50 years down the road, designer gene tweeking could allow a terrorist country to assemble a massive army of invisible soldiers who at the very least, would have the element of surprise to their advantage. So the NSA has a specific vested interest in maintaining a presence on this website, as well as knowing which researcher is doing what and where his research areas are.

When Bigfoot stays invisible, the terrorists win. (That's obvious.)

You may have covered this somewhere else, and if so, I apologize for not catching it: Why is it that when Patty looked back and saw she was being filmed she didn't just turn invisible either immediately or when she had put some trees between her and the observers?

 

[RayG]

Gee, what was I thinking?

Irrational thoughts?

RayG

 

[bruto]

Security risk? I would have to have been given some closely guarded and closely held national secret, in order to even qualify to give up that secret.
Since Bigfoot are quite common, then they cannot possibly be closely held. Studying the Bigfoot is also quite legal. Since the FBI tells me that there is absolutely nothing illegal about Bigfoot research or possessing Bigfoot knowledge, then their is no closely held secret to give up. So there can be no security risk.

Traitor? A traitor is someone who performs some act that is both against federal law, and aids and abetts the enemy.
We have no enemies to my knowledge, when it comes to bigfoot knowledge. Furthermore, the act of concealing the Bigfoot's existence as the Federal Government does, contributes to the likelihood of mass hysteria, panic and general public distrust in their government in the future. In my wildest dreams, I cannot imagine a polititian wanting to be at the wheel, when the next Bigfoot panic occurs primarily as a result of decades of anti-bigfoot government sponsored propaganda. My efforts to head off that mass hysteria, panic and distrust in the government, are greatly underappreciated, to say the least. My specific work is in humanizing the bigfoot by bringing to light their most defining characteristics that ultimately describes them as more polite than us, more considerate than us, more friendly than us, more disciplined than us, more benevolent than us, and of higher morality than us. Consequently, my work is squarely in the national best interest, whereas people like yourself, Dfoot, Kitakaze and Correa are all working towards maximizing the adverse impact on the day that the inter-dimensional Bigfoot becomes UNDENIABLE. Both youself and them would then be working squarely against the best interests of the U.S., regardless of who is paying you.

So if you are trying to build a case for someone hating American on this thread, you own name would be at or near the top of that list of likely candidates. My name, would not even be considered for that list. Instead I am thinking, simultaneous Congressional Medal of Honor/ Nobel Peace Prize for my work in the humanization of the Bigfoot people. But that is all in my humble opinion, of course.

So the NSA, after spending gazillions of dollars on moles and secret agents, redacting public records, intimidating ex-presidents and blackmailing whole university faculties into silence, is ok with your efforts to contradict them and even to out their moles on this forum? One of those two sides is crazy.

I hope the ticket to Stockholm is refundable.

 

[historian]

When Bigfoot stays invisible, the terrorists win. (That's obvious.)

You may have covered this somewhere else, and if so, I apologize for not catching it: Why is it that when Patty looked back and saw she was being filmed she didn't just turn invisible either immediately or when she had put some trees between her and the observers?

Patty had other Bigfoot in the area, watching her back. They could have warned her telepathically, the instant that either Gimlin or Patterson had any thoughts of shooting Patty. It takes time to grab a rifle and prepare it for firing. Patty could have easily vaporized in that short period. Bigfoot normally wait for the observer to briefly be distracted by another Bigfoot, before slipping into another dimension. I have experienced that myself, the distraction. Bigfoot also have been observed stepping behind a tree to slip into another dimension. Since there was no one tree on the sight, that concealed Patty from both Gimlin and Patterson, that would not have been possible. Gimlin and Patterson had decided in advance that they were not going to shoot any Bigfoot that they may encounter. That decision should have been instantly recognizable by any Bigfoot that they may encounter, since they are highly telepathic. Cold blooded killers have an entirely different thought pattern. I have met those as well. Patty had been schooled to walk don't run away from possible danger. Once she got out of camera range, I believe she broke into a run. I have heard Bigfoot running as well. Running bipedal footsteps slamming the ground, particularly at night in the forest with no flashlight showing, cause one to pause, and think things like, THOSE SKEPTICS AND ESPECIALLY DANCING DAVID, REALLY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE. Those persons have changed "Living in Denial", into a new art form. Pretty soon, we will be seeing Skeptics sporting T-shirts and tatoos espousing their level of reality comprehension, by spelling out "Living in Denial, and Proud of it!"

 

[Locknar]

Patty had other Bigfoot in the area, watching her back. They could have warned her telepathically, the instant that either Gimlin or Patterson had any thoughts of shooting Patty. It takes time to grab a rifle and prepare it for firing. Patty could have easily vaporized in that short period. Bigfoot normally wait for the observer to briefly be distracted by another Bigfoot, before slipping into another dimension. I have experienced that myself, the distraction. Bigfoot also have been observed stepping behind a tree to slip into another dimension. Since there was no one tree on the sight, that concealed Patty from both Gimlin and Patterson, that would not have been possible. Gimlin and Patterson had decided in advance that they were not going to shoot any Bigfoot that they may encounter. That decision should have been instantly recognizable by any Bigfoot that they may encounter, since they are highly telepathic. Cold blooded killers have an entirely different thought pattern. I have met those as well. Patty had been schooled to walk don't run away from possible danger. Once she got out of camera range, I believe she broke into a run. I have heard Bigfoot running as well. Running bipedal footsteps slamming the ground, particularly at night in the forest with no flashlight showing, cause one to pause, and think things like, THOSE SKEPTICS AND ESPECIALLY DANCING DAVID, REALLY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE. Those persons have changed "Living in Denial", into a new art form. Pretty soon, we will be seeing Skeptics sporting T-shirts and tatoos espousing their level of reality comprehension, by spelling out "Living in Denial, and Proud of it!"

Is this speculation, or do you state this as fact? If fact, how did you determine this, what evidence do you have that there was a group of "Bigfoot" around when the PG film was shot?

 

[drapier]

Patty had other Bigfoot in the area, watching her back.

Aha! You've finally slipped up, Historian, and inadvertently revealed that you are indeed an invisible bigfoot yourself. How could you know this fact about the Bluff Creek incident unless you were there yourself?

You've given some NSA supermole a very precious gift to start off 2008.

I know some inter-dimensional little people who are very upset with you today.

 

[tsig]

Oh, Okay. That solves it. Bigfoot must not exist then since Treadwell never mentioned them or photographed them. Gee, what was I thinking?

Nothing?

 

[tsig]

Security risk? I would have to have been given some closely guarded and closely held national secret, in order to even qualify to give up that secret.
Since Bigfoot are quite common, then they cannot possibly be closely held. Studying the Bigfoot is also quite legal. Since the FBI tells me that there is absolutely nothing illegal about Bigfoot research or possessing Bigfoot knowledge, then their is no closely held secret to give up. So there can be no security risk.

Traitor? A traitor is someone who performs some act that is both against federal law, and aids and abetts the enemy.
We have no enemies to my knowledge, when it comes to bigfoot knowledge. Furthermore, the act of concealing the Bigfoot's existence as the Federal Government does, contributes to the likelihood of mass hysteria, panic and general public distrust in their government in the future. In my wildest dreams, I cannot imagine a polititian wanting to be at the wheel, when the next Bigfoot panic occurs primarily as a result of decades of anti-bigfoot government sponsored propaganda. My efforts to head off that mass hysteria, panic and distrust in the government, are greatly underappreciated, to say the least. My specific work is in humanizing the bigfoot by bringing to light their most defining characteristics that ultimately describes them as more polite than us, more considerate than us, more friendly than us, more disciplined than us, more benevolent than us, and of higher morality than us. Consequently, my work is squarely in the national best interest, whereas people like yourself, Dfoot, Kitakaze and Correa are all working towards maximizing the adverse impact on the day that the inter-dimensional Bigfoot becomes UNDENIABLE. Both youself and them would then be working squarely against the best interests of the U.S., regardless of who is paying you.

So if you are trying to build a case for someone hating American on this thread, you own name would be at or near the top of that list of likely candidates. My name, would not even be considered for that list. Instead I am thinking, simultaneous Congressional Medal of Honor/ Nobel Peace Prize for my work in the humanization of the Bigfoot people. But that is all in my humble opinion, of course.

You have to be in the military to get the Congressional Medal of Honor.

How is it that Bigfoot is " more polite than us, more considerate than us, more friendly than us, more disciplined than us, more benevolent than us, and of higher morality than us." and also ready to kill us at the drop of a hat.?

 

[SweatyYeti]

For a little diversion from the "Inter-dimensional Bigfoot BS".......here's Patty...

 

[LTC8K6]

Patty's friends played a joke on her, obviously. Otherwise Roger wouldn't have seen her. She'd have been warned and gone already.

Maybe Roger and Bob were invisible and that's why Patty didn't leave in time?

Hmmmmm......maybe I'm on to something.

How can we tell if Peanut could become invisible?

Historian, I'll bet you think that "half tracks" of bigfoot happen when bigfoot transitions mid-step.

 

[Drewbot]

Funny thing about bigfoot hunting, a group of well-funded superfans, spending hundreds of man-hours on the hunt, can go out in the woods, and attempt to locate a bigfoot with no results, but my 75 year old mother-in-law can describe every stray cat that wanders within a 1-mile radius of her Northern Michigan cottage.

P.S. sweaty, Dfoot knocked it out of the park on the correct photo comparison, now what? any response?

 

[Locknar]

Since the FBI tells me that there is absolutely nothing illegal about Bigfoot research or possessing Bigfoot knowledge, then their is no closely held secret to give up. So there can be no security risk.

Traitor? A traitor is someone who performs some act that is both against federal law, and aids and abetts the enemy.
We have no enemies to my knowledge, when it comes to bigfoot knowledge. Furthermore, the act of concealing the Bigfoot's existence as the Federal Government does, contributes to the likelihood of mass hysteria, panic and general public distrust in their government in the future.

These two statements seem to conflict each other. Why would the Government spend untold dollars concealing the existence of "Bigfoot", yet allow you to continue your "research" let alone talk of your "findings" on the Internet?

Instead I am thinking, simultaneous Congressional Medal of Honor/ Nobel Peace Prize for my work in the humanization of the Bigfoot people. But that is all in my humble opinion, of course.

It would be the Medal of Freedom, not the CMH. As to the Nobel Prize, the nomination criteria can be found here. I think I speak for all in saying we look forward to your nomination. Of course, you'd have to show/publish your evidence...something you seem totally unwilling to do, ever, anyplace.

 

[historian]

You have to be in the military to get the Congressional Medal of Honor.

How is it that Bigfoot is " more polite than us, more considerate than us, more friendly than us, more disciplined than us, more benevolent than us, and of higher morality than us." and also ready to kill us at the drop of a hat.?

Where did you get "also ready to kill us at the drop of a hat"?

 

[historian]

These two statements seem to conflict each other. Why would the Government spend untold dollars concealing the existence of "Bigfoot", yet allow you to continue your "research" let alone talk of your "findings" on the Internet?.

Apparently, there is secret governmental policy, that only those who "have a need to know" know about. Influencing how the public thinks, in order to help maintain their thin grip on reality and not overloading our mental hospitals, is likely one of those secret policies. Once they set one secret policy that is unnatural, then they must set more secret policies to maintain the equilibrium. Kind of like the stealth fighter, which would not fly, but for a computer counteracting its tendancy to crash. We also see this secret policy, policy in effect by the Government denying the existence of UFOs and persons from other solar systems on those UFOs.

 

[historian]

Funny thing about bigfoot hunting, a group of well-funded superfans, spending hundreds of man-hours on the hunt, can go out in the woods, and attempt to locate a bigfoot with no results, but my 75 year old mother-in-law can describe every stray cat that wanders within a 1-mile radius of her Northern Michigan cottage.

P.S. sweaty, Dfoot knocked it out of the park on the correct photo comparison, now what? any response?

Funny thing about Bigfoot hunting. You don't hunt for them nor look for them. You best sit in camp and let them come to you, if and when they want to. Furthermore, you listen for them instead of look for them. Show me the Bigfoot research group that has that policy, and I will show you a group that knows what they are doing.

 

[Locknar]

Apparently, there is secret governmental policy, that only those who "have a need to know" know about. Influencing how the public thinks, in order to help maintain their thin grip on reality and not overloading our mental hospitals, is likely one of those secret policies. Once they set one secret policy that is unnatural, then they must set more secret policies to maintain the equilibrium. Kind of like the stealth fighter, which would not fly, but for a computer counteracting its tendancy to crash. We also see this secret policy, policy in effect by the Government denying the existence of UFOs and persons from other solar systems on those UFOs.

With all the "apparently"s and "likely"s, I take it this is your conjecture vs your statement of fact? If you are stating as fact, what is your source for this "need to know" information?

 

[historian]

Aha! You've finally slipped up, Historian, and inadvertently revealed that you are indeed an invisible bigfoot yourself. How could you know this fact about the Bluff Creek incident unless you were there yourself?

You've given some NSA supermole a very precious gift to start off 2008.

I know some inter-dimensional little people who are very upset with you today.

M.K. Davis pointed him out, when he attended the International Bigfoot Society campout, last summer.

 

[LTC8K6]

M.K. Davis pointed him out

Davis tends to point out things that only he can see, though. Sorta like you...