Are White Nationalists influencing the Ron Paul campaign?

[Mister Agenda]

Bingo.

I have to say I'm amused by them having a pet candidate for the US Presidency.

The slight difference being that Hillary would probably scream louder than any of them, while Paul is saying little about it and has kept the money.

And the slight difference that it wasn't an organization that donated $500 to RP's campaign, it was an individual. Fortunately for all the other candidates, they rely on corporations or their own deep pockets rather than individuals donating under the $2300.00 limit for their funding and no one cares if, say, a pedophile gives Hillary a thousand dollars--at least not enough to make the effort to find out if any of her donors are registered sex offenders.

OTH, I don't have a problem if the media wants to rake Paul over the coals on this. They can grill him and quote him as much as they like, and if he can't take the heat that's his problem. I don't think it would hurt him. The vast majority of his supporters are not racists and don't believe he is one, either, and probably won't change their mind because of guilt by association. The vast majority of people who have heard of him and don't like him won't vote for him any less. The people who haven't heard of him won't vote for him except as a random protest. Some of the people who hear of him through negative media coverage will check him out and decide to vote for him. Although he is getting some coverage it remains a fraction of what other candidates still in the race are getting, enough people haven't heard of him that negative coverage is better than no coverage at all.

 

[Mister Agenda]

If my candidate (which I honestly haven't picked yet, everyone running for the Republican nomination has so far left me with a bad taste) kept donated money from these weasels, or others of their ilk, I could no longer support that candidate.

Fortunately for whatever candidate you select, no one is really interested in who their individual supporters are, and good luck finding out. At Paul's site you can see the names and cities of his donors as they come up. Even so, I think it only came up as an issue for Paul because the donor publicized his contribution.

Incidentally, I haven't been able to find fundraising status on any of the other candidates, Paul's is the only one that shows a running total. It would be handy for comparison purposes if every candidate did that.

 

[rtalman]

Fortunately for whatever candidate you select, no one is really interested in who their individual supporters are, and good luck finding out. At Paul's site you can see the names and cities of his donors as they come up. Even so, I think it only came up as an issue for Paul because the donor publicized his contribution.

Incidentally, I haven't been able to find fundraising status on any of the other candidates, Paul's is the only one that shows a running total. It would be handy for comparison purposes if every candidate did that.

All campaign donations through Q3 (Q4 should be out in a few weeks)http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

Ron Paul individual donors through Q3
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/s...te=(all)&zip=(any+zip)&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A


Barack Obama individual donors through Q3
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/s...te=(all)&zip=(any+zip)&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A

 

[Mister Agenda]

Thanks, rtalman. I know the Q3 numbers are available, but RP is the only candidate I could find a current # on (close to $19M for Q4, last I checked). More importantly, thanks for introducing me to opensecrets.org!

 

[The Atheist]

*sigh*

You're not very good at this, are you?

And the slight difference that it wasn't an organization that donated $500 to RP's campaign, it was an individual.

It was YOUR hypo that saw the Zionist group giving to Hillary. Maybe you could shoot that strawman down before making any for me.

And if you think Stormfront doesn't overwhelmingly approve of what Don Black's doing, it's time you went and checked.

...and no one cares if, say, a pedophile gives Hillary a thousand dollars--at least not enough to make the effort to find out if any of her donors are registered sex offenders.

Again, you've missed the point completely.

The only way that would work is if it were pointed out to Hillary and she refused to return the money.

When that happens, let us know.

OTH, I don't have a problem if the media wants to rake Paul over the coals on this.

Me neither. "Cremated" is the word you're after.

 

[rtalman]

Sorry about the confusion, Zen, I failed to quote rtalman. He was pointing out that some posters at that hateful website were showing links to Ron Paul sites. I was just pointing out that if that is some kind of standard it would be easy to discredit anyone you want.

Not some posters. The webmaster. It is a large banner ad at the bottom of the frontpage. Certainly the Ron Paul IT geeks could IP ban Stormfront from routing donations if they wanted to. They must have had plenty of practice from running the LC forum.

 

[rtalman]

More importantly, thanks for introducing me to opensecrets.org!

NP

I may have to rethink who I will support based on who my hero supports though... http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/s...te=(all)&zip=(any+zip)&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A

 

[Mister Agenda]

*sigh*

You're not very good at this, are you?

It was YOUR hypo that saw the Zionist group giving to Hillary. Maybe you could shoot that strawman down before making any for me.

Actually it wasn't MY hypo (?), re-read. You were responding to Zen. I merely pointed out an additional difference you had missed.

And if you think Stormfront doesn't overwhelmingly approve of what Don Black's doing, it's time you went and checked.

Don Black's approval rating among WNs is pretty much irrelevant. No one has made the case this group doesn't see some of it's interests aligning with Paul's such as bringing the troops home, getting rid of income tax, or whatever.

Again, you've missed the point completely.

The only way that would work is if it were pointed out to Hillary and she refused to return the money.

When that happens, let us know.

You missed MY point: no one is examining the other contributors to the other candidates with this level of scrutiny. Speaking only for myself, I don't care enough to try, although I expect I could find many examples of disreputable characters contributing to all the campaigns. Again, speaking for myself, I don't see the virtue of returning this man's money so he can use it to spread more hate. I would be happy if he paupered himself contributing to any of the candidate's campaigns.

Me neither. "Cremated" is the word you're after.

I would like to see that tested, but it won't happen, unfortunately.

 

[Mister Agenda]

NP

I may have to rethink who I will support based on who my hero supports though... http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/s...te=(all)&zip=(any+zip)&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A

If he gets the nomination and it looks like he will probaby be beaten by a neocon, based on what I know now, I would vote for him to avoid that fate.

 

[rtalman]

no one is examining the other contributors to the other candidates with this level of scrutiny.

I have to disagree. I would bet cash money that most of the major candidates have several people they are paying to read through their opponent's FEC reports to see if they can find anything embarrassing. Politics at it's best!

 

[Mister Agenda]

Not some posters. The webmaster. It is a large banner ad at the bottom of the frontpage. Certainly the Ron Paul IT geeks could IP ban Stormfront from routing donations if they wanted to. They must have had plenty of practice from running the LC forum.

Thanks for the clarification. I retract my statement that anyone could do the same thing, and my apologies to everyone for speaking without being better informed. I haven't been to the site myself. I'm sure it's banned from work anyway. I hate to block free speech, but perhaps an exception, given that it wouldn't be the government doing it, would be acceptable in this particular case.

 

[Mister Agenda]

I have to disagree. I would bet cash money that most of the major candidates have several people they are paying to read through their opponent's FEC reports to see if they can find anything embarrassing. Politics at it's best!

You may be right but it is hard to believe they haven't dug up some of that kind of dirt already. It just doesn't make sense that only upright citizens contribute to ANYone's campaign. If they really wanted to play dirty they'd have one of their staffers anonymously bribe some low-life to contribute to a rival. I would think Huckabee might be particularly vulnerable. IMO, Obama is practically invulnerable to this tactic due to early smears.

 

[rtalman]

You may be right but it is hard to believe they haven't dug up some of that kind of dirt already. It just doesn't make sense that only upright citizens contribute to ANYone's campaign. If they really wanted to play dirty they'd have one of their staffers anonymously bribe some low-life to contribute to a rival. I would think Huckabee might be particularly vulnerable. IMO, Obama is practically invulnerable to this tactic due to early smears.

I pointed out in an earlier post about Clinton, Edwards and Biden as a few examples of candidates that have returned money from questionable sources. I would guess that none of the candidates (including RP) look that closely at where the money comes from initially. What I would bet happens is: the opposition finds a questionable donation in the FEC report, leaks it to a friendly media outlet, a reporter goes up and asks the candidate "Hey, what about that $10 you got from X?", the candidate DAKs, acts contrite, and returns the money to avoid looking guilty by association if they care about appearances. If they don't care about appearances, they are in the wrong profession.

 

[Mister Agenda]

I remember your citations but I didn't remember any of them being from private individuals. It's easier to ID unsavory groups than unsavory individuals.

 

[Richard Masters]

When the clown starts denouncing the white nationalists as terrorists and enemies of humanity, and either slaps the Stormfront maggot over the head with a sack of the donated cash (preferrably all in pennies) or donates it to a Jewish cause to spite the slobbering twits at Stormfront, I will believe he is not a WN mole. Until then, he is just going to have to wear the stench of Stormfront.

Sounds like you are not a critical thinker. I suggest you read about ALL-OR-NOTHING thinking, it seems to suit you.

 

[Richard Masters]

At the site 5t0rmf0rnt - intenionally misspelled - there are many Ron Paul links. He should tell them to take a hike, since Mr. Paul has been accused of bigotry.

[BTW, off topic but Kucinich lost my respect when he and his wife had said they would consider Ron Paul as a running mate.]

He already did denounce them. You should do more research.

I though this board would reflect some rationality. But in your case, there is none.

 

[Richard Masters]

If my candidate (which I honestly haven't picked yet, everyone running for the Republican nomination has so far left me with a bad taste) kept donated money from these weasels, or others of their ilk, I could no longer support that candidate.

What's your rationale for doing so? Do you have any?

 

[Richard Masters]

Not some posters. The webmaster. It is a large banner ad at the bottom of the frontpage. Certainly the Ron Paul IT geeks could IP ban Stormfront from routing donations if they wanted to. They must have had plenty of practice from running the LC forum.

Why should they bow to your wishes?

The point of libertarianism is liberty. If some idiot wants to post links to his website to Ron Paul's he is entitled to. That's what liberty is about.

 

[Richard Masters]

I have to disagree. I would bet cash money that most of the major candidates have several people they are paying to read through their opponent's FEC reports to see if they can find anything embarrassing. Politics at it's best!

Really? When are you going to complain about Hillary's donations by racists?

 

[leftysergeant]

"He takes dirty money from sewer dwellers."

Huh?

He actively seeks the votes of white nationalists by appearing on moonbat venues like Arctic Beacon and Prison Planet.

That he didn't tell the Stormfront people where to stick their dirty money means to me that he is cool with having their support.

If you lie down with rabid pit bulls, rising up with fleas is the least of your public image problems.