Are White Nationalists influencing the Ron Paul campaign?

[Richard Masters]

"Guilt by acceptance of what?"

White supremacist support.

In other words, you are back to a guilt by association fallacy.

 

[Richard Masters]

"I'm well aware that he's said as much, but I think he'd be better served saying this in as high profile of a way as possible so as to kill this "Paul supporters = white supremacists" argument. Just from the conversation here it's obvious that the message hasn't gotten out."

You are right. It might help him avoid the question. The problem, however, isn't whether it serves him, but whether the assumption is illogical in the first place.

 

[Richard Masters]

//"I'm not surprised you had no response here."

Why bother responding? No amount of logic or reasoning can talk a cultist out of his cult.//

First, you are assuming you have used logic or reasoning. Second, you assume I'm a cultist in a cult. There is no strong basis for any of your assumptions - at least none that is reflected by your writing.

Please stop writing about Ron Paul if you are not willing to engage in honest debate.

 

[Richard Masters]

""Dogged by". Passive verb tense.

http://www.amazon.com/English-Gramma...8791330&sr=8-1
I highly recommend it for cases like yours."

Thank you. In cases like mine, where English is not my first language, English Grammar texts are quite useful.

 

[rtalman]

First, you are assuming you have used logic or reasoning.

No, I am saying why bother with an obvious PaulBot?

Second, you assume I'm a cultist in a cult. There is no strong basis for any of your assumptions - at least none that is reflected by your writing.

The evidence is reflected in your writing. Is that froth in the corner of your mouth?

Please stop writing about Ron Paul if you are not willing to engage in honest debate.

In only a few short weeks, like the Deanie Babies and Perotistas before them, the PaulBots will be just a memory, barely a pimple on the ass of history.

 

[Richard Masters]

No, I am saying why bother with an obvious PaulBot?
The evidence is reflected in your writing. Is that froth in the corner of your mouth?

In only a few short weeks, like the Deanie Babies and Perotistas before them, the PaulBots will be just a memory, barely a pimple on the ass of history.

I've been into libertarianism long before I ever heard about Ron Paul.

I learned about Ron Paul on my own, through research. I wasn't inducted by a secret society or brainwashed. I convinced others to research Ron Paul, not the other way around.

The fact that you are unwilling to engage in honest debate shows that you are more likely to be a member of a cult than anyone you have baselessly criticized.

I will continue talking about liberty and Ron Paul long after the primaries, regardless of the result.

I suggest you do more research so you can be at an equal footing with so-called "cultists" who seem to destroy your every argument.

 

[dudalb]

BTW, a number of Libetarians are actully quite critical of Paul.

 

[rtalman]

I've been into libertarianism long before I ever heard about Ron Paul.

That explains a lot. Can't win with a Losertarian candidate, so you try to hitch your wagon to a RINO.

I learned about Ron Paul on my own, through research. I wasn't inducted by a secret society or brainwashed.

How did the Kool-Aid taste? Was it Grape or Strawberry?

The fact that you are unwilling to engage in honest debate shows that you are more likely to be a member of a cult than anyone you have baselessly criticized.

I have posted in several other threads regarding Ron Paul. I see no need to regurgitate the same information to a cultie.

I will continue talking about liberty and Ron Paul long after the primaries, regardless of the result.

Really? Do you still talk about John Anderson as well? He represents the very acme of the Losertarian accomplishment in presidential elections.

I suggest you do more research so you can be at an equal footing with so-called "cultists" who seem to destroy your every argument.

I have researched Ron Paul.
He believes that nefarious forces will force the creation of the NAU and destroy the USA.
He disagreed with the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
He takes dirty money from sewer dwellers.
He has dozens of supporters nationwide, who believe they can win an election from the computers in their grandmothers' basements.
He is almost as relevant to the Republican nomination as Kucinich is to the Democratic nomination.

 

[Richard Masters]

"I have posted in several other threads regarding Ron Paul. I see no need to regurgitate the same information to a cultie."

Apparently you didn't even read my comments. Instead you resort to labels and ad hominem attacks. If you have discussed these topics before, then you should be winning the argument. In fact, if you have already discussed this information, it should be easy for you to provide a link to said information.

"He disagreed with the Civil Rights Act of 1964."

Did you read why?

"He takes dirty money from sewer dwellers."

Huh?

"He has dozens of supporters nationwide, who believe they can win an election from the computers in their grandmothers' basements."

Do you have any facts to support your statement?

 

[leftysergeant]

When the clown starts denouncing the white nationalists as terrorists and enemies of humanity, and either slaps the Stormfront maggot over the head with a sack of the donated cash (preferrably all in pennies) or donates it to a Jewish cause to spite the slobbering twits at Stormfront, I will believe he is not a WN mole. Until then, he is just going to have to wear the stench of Stormfront.

 

[corplinx]

Reagan got donations from white supremacists. When the media asked him about it, he replied something along the lines of "if they are willing to change their views and back my ideas and my agenda, I'm all for it".

 

[The Mysterian]

Guilty of what by acceptance?

At the site 5t0rmf0rnt - intenionally misspelled - there are many Ron Paul links. He should tell them to take a hike, since Mr. Paul has been accused of bigotry.

[BTW, off topic but Kucinich lost my respect when he and his wife had said they would consider Ron Paul as a running mate.]

 

[Mister Agenda]

At the site 5t0rmf0rnt - intenionally misspelled - there are many Ron Paul links. He should tell them to take a hike, since Mr. Paul has been accused of bigotry.

[BTW, off topic but Kucinich lost my respect when he and his wife had said they would consider Ron Paul as a running mate.]

Possibly they know him better than you do? You must not have respected them very much in the first place if you are so blithely certain of their poor judgement when they disagree with you. If I respect someone I seriously consider their opinion when it disagrees with mine...that's part of what it means to respect someone, isn't it?

 

[The Mysterian]

Possibly they know him better than you do? You must not have respected them very much in the first place if you are so blithely certain of their poor judgement when they disagree with you. If I respect someone I seriously consider their opinion when it disagrees with mine...that's part of what it means to respect someone, isn't it?

Do you know what that website is?!?! WP/WN/Skihheads maybe?

 

[ZenFountain]

Possibly they know him better than you do? You must not have respected them very much in the first place if you are so blithely certain of their poor judgement when they disagree with you. If I respect someone I seriously consider their opinion when it disagrees with mine...that's part of what it means to respect someone, isn't it?

Curious if you have actually read Stormfront before...

Not sure if this is appropriate, but look at the bottom.



I accept this is a guilt by association fallacy, and furthermore than Paul has stated this is an unwanted association, but it still looks terrible. Imagine if an extreme Israeli Zionist board put up campaign ads for Hillary Clinton, the same crowd crying foul over the Paul-Stormfront association would likely jump on it like a pack of rabid hyenas. It is also important to note that the owner of Stormfront, not the members are responsible for the Ron Paul ads. The political realist on Stormfront actually seem to be pushing for Romney.

 

[Mister Agenda]

I have learned from JREF what the website is. I haven't visited it so I'm not familiar with their reasoning in supporting Paul. I presume they see something in his proposed policies they agree with. I hear they are against the war in Iraq and don't favor intrusive government.

If you were to tell me what candidate you favor, I could go to that website and start setting up links to his or her website. Then you would have to renounce your candidate. Right?

 

[rtalman]

If you were to tell me what candidate you favor, I could go to that website and start setting up links to his or her website. Then you would have to renounce your candidate. Right?

If my candidate (which I honestly haven't picked yet, everyone running for the Republican nomination has so far left me with a bad taste) kept donated money from these weasels, or others of their ilk, I could no longer support that candidate.

 

[ZenFountain]

I presume they see something in his proposed policies they agree with. I hear they are against the war in Iraq and don't favor intrusive government.

David Duke was the last openly white nationalist in a major public office, i.e. they (the white nationalist) have no chance of electing a white nationalist President that will promote their views. The next best option is an elected official that will leave you alone and try to roll back social programs that are perceived as benefiting poor minorities at the expense of wealthy white taxpayers.

If you were to tell me what candidate you favor, I could go to that website and start setting up links to his or her website. Then you would have to renounce your candidate. Right?

Huh?

 

[The Atheist]

Their stupid ...

Don't be a fool. If you are going to deal with the WN movement, it is best not to underestimate them.

The WN movement not necessarily poor, nor uneducated. Mostly white, sure.

Bingo.

I have to say I'm amused by them having a pet candidate for the US Presidency.

Imagine if an extreme Israeli Zionist board put up campaign ads for Hillary Clinton, the same crowd crying foul over the Paul-Stormfront association would likely jump on it like a pack of rabid hyenas.

The slight difference being that Hillary would probably scream louder than any of them, while Paul is saying little about it and has kept the money.

 

[Mister Agenda]

David Duke was the last openly white nationalist in a major public office, i.e. they (the white nationalist) have no chance of electing a white nationalist President that will promote their views. The next best option is an elected official that will leave you alone and try to roll back social programs that are perceived as benefiting poor minorities at the expense of wealthy white taxpayers.

Huh?

Sorry about the confusion, Zen, I failed to quote rtalman. He was pointing out that some posters at that hateful website were showing links to Ron Paul sites. I was just pointing out that if that is some kind of standard it would be easy to discredit anyone you want.