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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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SweatyYeti said:
Dfoot wrote:

Dfoot, could you demonstrate how your padded suit precisely mimics the changing shape of Patty's thigh?
I've demonstrated what I've said about Patty's leg shape, with highlighted frames.
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Sweaty, while Dfoot is working on that, can you tell us what's wrong with Patty's left leg ?
I haven't had it explained so far by any Pattycakes, except to say it must be a film defect .

It looks like it could even be another challenge for Dfoot to precisely mimic this obviously deformed leg ..

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Merry Christmas Sweaty - In the above image I was testing to see how much padding I would need to duplicate the thigh AND create the PAD LINE encircling the thigh at the top.

I had not bothered to build a butt pad yet - or feet - nor had I yet created the "hamstring line" that you see in the previous animated GIF. No... all this pic contains is some cheap black fun fur safey-pinned over the spandex thigh-calf padding (which has a plastic kneecap similar to those used in Patty and various monster suits from the Wah/Janos/Chambers camp).

So this is the angle and I did successfully create the upper thigh pad line. However, I did learn later that they used 4-way stretch fabric and fur and glued some of the hair on in order to create that stone-age appeal. This was an early test, but it does show what I think you are talking about; that is the foam bending to appear to be muscle flexing.


And here's me with the black fun fur wrapped around one leg. I tucked the top into the pants and used a few safety pins to hold it to the spandex pants I'm wearing. Both legs are padded, but there is no Butt Pad or anything else. Just thigh and calf pads appear here.

Still... how hard would it be to recreate Patty with what I've learned since then? Could Patty or her offspring soon reappear to lay dermal-ridged either double or single-balled tracks with or without a mid-tarsal break somewhere in the forest not too far from where people camp? How about a trail cam pic of Patty junior? Would that start fresh excitement and rev up the investigation? The mind does boggle.

What is it that makes people see only the parts of Patty that show good imitation of something natural, yet ignore the more obvious parts of the suit that demonstrate total fraud on the part of Patterson, Gimlin and company?
That's as interesting as the construction of the suit and the story behind the film itself.
 
SweatyYeti said:
Dfoot wrote:



Dfoot, could you demonstrate how your padded suit precisely mimics the changing shape of Patty's thigh?
I've demonstrated what I've said about Patty's leg shape, with highlighted frames.
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If the fingers bend, you must pretend.
If the thighs widen, there's no denyin'.
 
historian said:
Correa, I dug out my sliderule, fiddled with it a wee bit, and came up with this. Lucky that math will solve everything, which is of course exactly why you require a mathematical solution to everything. Now isn't it?[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_20049476c7d05bd3b8.jpg[/qimg]
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Using such an outstanding reasoning, the picture below is evidence FTL travel is possible...
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Face it, Neal, you have nothing to back your claims.

BTW, IMHO its the most beautiful and pleasant image ever posted at this thread.
 
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SweatyYeti said:
Dfoot wrote:



Dfoot, could you demonstrate how your padded suit precisely mimics the changing shape of Patty's thigh?
I've demonstrated what I've said about Patty's leg shape, with highlighted frames.

So far, all you've done is talk.....and talk is damn cheap.

After you've done that, then you can make a judgement as to whether or not I'm ignoring data.





I have an open mind.....just waiting for data. :eye-poppi
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Ignoring data.......hmmm.....why does that sound......Oh yeah,

Hey Sweaty how about that wrist band on the pictures you posted? Any reason we shouldn't accept the band as proof of a bloke in a suit and call this thread done?
 
manofthesea said:
But, if bigfoot is hominid then that would mean that they are more intelligent than all other animals, presumably. They may have literally had several aeons to learn areas of hiding. If being hominid and witnessing what occurred to the native peoples in north america, they may have decided that it was best for their survival to avoid all contact. Except, of course for certain cases of claimed cohabitation. Fascinating. Man, I have so many questions myself. Like, it's been mentioned that bigfoot could be angered (myself) and he may have the ability to use primitive tools and weapons. So, what would happen if he hit someone 'dead center' in the chest with a mighty throw? (enough to bring down a mastadon)
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reply: But Bigfoot is not a hominid, nor even zoological.

Bink!
 
LOOK PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!

END this stupid BS.

No human can fake a 41 INCH STRIDE WITH 2000 LBS PLUS WEIGHT FOR DEPTH.

Cannot be done for more than 2 steps even with 500 lbs.

STOP IGNORING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All this crap about padding and wrist bands, is just nonsense.

Get-real! yOU ARE ALL JUST ABSURD!

Monstro, ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
monstro said:
LOOK PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!

END this stupid BS.

No human can fake a 41 INCH STRIDE WITH 2000 LBS PLUS WEIGHT FOR DEPTH.

Cannot be done for more than 2 steps even with 500 lbs.

STOP IGNORING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All this crap about padding and wrist bands, is just nonsense.

Get-real! yOU ARE ALL JUST ABSURD!

Monstro, ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So please explain the wrist band that is clearly visible in the pictures Sweaty posted.

Monstro, the band is photographic evidence of a bloke in a suit that cannot be debated. Saying no one can make 41" strides is not evidence but just a red herring that can be talked about for the next 40 years and takes our attention away from the evidence.

I understand that is your desire but some of us are more interested in evidence than in debating senseless ideas.

Please provide an explanation for the band if you are able. Sweaty won't do it because, IMHO, he knows exactly what the band is and doesn't want to admit it to us or, more importantly, to himself.
 
GT/CS said:
So please explain the wrist band that is clearly visible in the pictures Sweaty posted.

Monstro, the band is photographic evidence of a bloke in a suit that cannot be debated.

Please provide an explanation for the band if you are able. Sweaty won't do it because, IMHO, he knows exactly what the band is and doesn't want to admit it to us or, more importantly, to himself.
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Yeegad, body bands!!!! MY GOD, IT'S A BLOKE IN A SUIT!!!!



Obviously the above is no more a bloke in a suit than the beautiful, well endowed package below is. But we have to put up with people that actually claim that hair color, hair weave and/or shadow anomolies, are proof positive that Patty is a 7 ft - 3 inch x 700 lb, bloke in a suit.



nuff said
 
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Patterson-Gimlin film likely real

ahhh the phenomenon of human denial of things not fully recognized yet even when objective scientific data is available that supports the contrary. I'm not saying it's definately real but you need to read some scientific literature before forming an opinion based simply on whether you think it looks like a guy in a suit or not. The best book I've read is Sasquatch Legend meets Science by Jeff Meldrum. He's an anthropologist and specializes in locomotion. It's written very objectively and facts supporting and disputing its existence are debated. It made me believe that there is likely a large primarily nocturnal primate living in North America that has a very large roaming territory in typically high elevation areas. They probably live longer than humans and mate very rarely and a primate of this size would likely be very intelligent. The creature in the Patterson-Gimlin film is likely not a hoax. There's been attempted re-enactments in recent years that can't compare to the 1967 supposed ape-suit being worn. Furthermore Indian tribes in western Canada have recognized the sasquatch in their ceremonies for hundreds of years. One tribe dresses as animals and all the animals are known creatures except the sasquatch or buk'wus as they call them. They just consider it another primate and think nothing strange about its existence. Most people just think an animal of that size couldn't exist without being scientifically recognized but this is simply naive thinking. The wilderness in sasquatch country is extremely rural and could easily support and veil the existence of a creature that large living nocturnally. Just my two cents.
 
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The BIG QUESTIONS

Why did physicists in 1970 readily state that Bigfoot is both real and inter-dimensional, whereas today, physicists will not even acknowledge their existence? Because we did not prepare our children for the existence of people in parallel dimensions, thus making them so afraid of the subject matter that when they grow up, they will run all physicists out fo town who happen to mention that people live right next to us in parallel dimensions.

Why do physicists claim that the higher dimensions are "tiny", instead of say, the exact same size as the dimensions that mankind is stuck in? Because we did not prepare our children for parallel dimensions, thus making them afraid of the subject matter when they grow up. Physicists then have to lie in order to make the subject matter palatable.

Why do posters on this board relentlessly seek to deny the obvious, in order to influence readers that Bigfoot is a hoaxe? Because they are paid to post here, and/or living in intense denial about the Bigfoot's existence.

Why can't kids handle the teachings about people actually living in parallel dimensions, when their video games and cartoon characters often do? Because their parents don't want to try to teach them because they are incapable of answering any questions about people living in parallel dimensions, since they were kept ignorant when they were children.

Why can't kitakaze, GT/CS, drapier, Correa, Diogenes and dozens of others deal with the existence of people living right along side of us in parallel dimensions? Some are paid to be here and post anti-bigfoot propaganda. Others are here as an obsession to shout down Bigfoot.
 
for one thing can you imagine how hard it would be to kill an 800+ lbs creature that can likely run in excess of 40 mph? Even if it was fatally wounded it could cover a large distance before dieing. They can be presumed to be mainly nocturnal since most of the sitings occur near or after dusk. Also a creature with the intelligence the sasquatch likely has would know a human is around long before they would see it most of the time. The indians believe it has psychic abilities and can alter a humans senses to hide itself. I'm not saying this is true but it's always interesting to gain insight from people who have lived here for thousands of years.
 
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Snuau, welcome to the board. What did you do, read this page only and decide to jump in? It would appear you are the latest in a long line of poorly informed bigfoot fans to appear here and underestimate the depth of discussion and the knowledge of it's participants.
snuau said:
ahhh the phenomenon of human denial of things not fully recognized yet even when objective scientific data is available that supports the contrary. I'm not saying it's definately real but you need to read some scientific literature before forming an opinion based simply on whether you think it looks like a guy in a suit or not.
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Holder of the Truth, maverick thinker, please direct us denialists to this objective scientific data that supports the existence of bigfoot. Please point us to this scientific literature that you are under the assumption that we are unfamiliar with. Please keep the words 'peer review' and 'reliable evidence' in mind when doing so.

The best book I've read is Sasquatch Legend meets Science by Jeff Meldrum. He's an anthropologist and specializes in locomotion. It's written very objectively and facts supporting and disputing its existence are debated. It made me believe that there is likely a large primarily nocturnal primate living in North America that has a very large roaming territory in typically high elevation areas.
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Jeff Meldrum? Never heard of him. :D

First of all, snuau, this thread is 245 pages to date. Try putting the word 'bigfoot' in the search engine here. You oddly seem to be under the impression that you're sharing new information with us. Most of the people participating in this thread have copies of Meldrum's book and are well informed on his 'science' regarding bigfoot. S:LMS has been discussed in great detail countless times here. It is certainly not the scientific literature you speak of.

Here are four reviews of the book you should familiarize yourself with before continuing to tell us about the book:

Bejamin Radford reviews Meldrum:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/sas-lms-review1/

Michael Dennet reviews Meldrum:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/sas-lms-review2/

Matt Crowley reviews Meldrum:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/sas-lms-review3/

David Daegling reviews Meldrum:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/sas-lms-review4/

They probably live longer than humans and mate very rarely and a primate of this size would likely be very intelligent.
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On what do you base the statement I have bolded?

There's been attempted re-enactments in recent years that can't compare to the 1967 supposed ape-suit being worn.
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We have shown countless times that there is nothing in the PGF that can not be accounted for by a man in a suit. It's good to familiarize yourself with a discussion before joining it. BTW, have you seen the Harley Hoffman video I posted?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3256655#post3256655

Furthermore Indian tribes in western Canada have recognized the sasquatch in their ceremonies for hundreds of years.
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Please provide an example of a native tribe that agrees on having ceremonies involving bigfoot. Please do not provide an example of a Native legend that has been interpreted by bigfoot proponents as representing bigfoot unless the tribe itself agrees with that interpretation. Raincoast Sasquatch references do not count.

One tribe dresses as animals and all the animals are known creatures except the sasquatch or buk'wus as they call them.
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Thunderbirds are known creatures?

They just consider it another primate and think nothing strange about its existence.
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Evidence please.

Most people just think an animal of that size couldn't exist without being scientifically recognized but this is simply naive thinking. The wilderness in sasquatch country is extremely rural and could easily support and veil the existence of a creature that large living nocturnally.
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Who's naive? Poor footer logic. Bigfoot is reported all over the continent, often in areas far from remote. Is it naive to think that a giant animal reported from Alaska to Iowa to Florida should have been scientifically recognized? Ask bf2006, one of the bigfoots he claims to have seen was from his balcony in Georgia and the other in front of a house in an unwooded area in Mississippi.

Just my two cents.
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Keep the change.
 
snuau said:
for one thing can you imagine how hard it would be to kill an 800+ lbs creature that can likely run in excess of 40 mph?
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Some footers say bigfoot can run super fast. Some footers say bigfoot runs on all fours. Some footers say bigfoot can't run at all. None of it matters because werewolves can do 60.

The indians believe it has psychic abilities and can alter a humans senses to hide itself. I'm not saying this is true but it's always interesting to gain insight from people who have lived here for thousands of years.
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Except for the ones that think it's just another primate and think nothing strange about its existence, right?
 
Well... I had a chance to capture Santa on film earlier this morning and thus prove his existence or click onto this thread.

As Mr. Spock once is supposed to have said, "In an insane world the sane man must appear insane." So here goes more pics as an actual demo of real things that can be seen and touched. Things that are not of imaginary dimensions. Things that warp and bend when you step in them....

Here is a fat suit under construction. The thigh of Patty works very much like this under the skin. The top edge that shows on Patty is never meant to be seen.

Look here... I've made a butt. I'm showing you what to look for in the knee area. I even made Patterson prints using the same equipment he used in the 60's. See what's really in front of you and not just what's in your imagination.

Here's SWEATY'S lines drawn onto Patty's thigh. He even outlines the top of the pad edge. For some reason he seems to think that is muscle though no muscle ever behaves like that. The line at the top encircling the leg is meant NOT to be seen.

Janos wears a butt pad in 1964 similar to the one I'm wearing with the tan spandex. The Gorn develops an odd "hernia" injury in its right leg when bending. This is the way the padding works.

It is astoundingly simple to demonstrate (not talk about) making mid-tarsal breaks, etc. There seems to be an approach on the part of Dr. Meldrum and others that's almost faith-based. The idea is that certain holy relics are real and it's our job to prove it enough so that others will believe. Real scientific evaluation (in this case that means at least trying to understand what can be done with fake rubber feet and suits) is not really a part of this agenda.
 
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