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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Geno said:
Fun story about Dahinden who was quite skepitcal about tree breaks. Seems he heard of broken tree tops at Bluff Creek that were reported as BF activity so he went back in 94 to see the film site again. He took some video of these broken tops on trees that were about 6 feet tall or so. Then he found some 30 to 40 foot tall trees that had broken tops, "must have been a 40 foot tall sasquatch" he mused. I miss that guy.
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I've always been confused with the Bigfooter claims about these broken trees and branches. The suggestion is that BF intentionally breaks these things to signal his presence and/or intent. Usually it is assumed to be a territory marker.

But how do the other Bigfoots know? If territorial tree breaks look just like wind breaks - then how can any Bigfoot strategically defend its own territory and also recognize the territories of others? It would seem that any Bigfoot would have the same problem that Bigfooters have. Was that tree broken by the wind or broken by a Bigfoot? Am I walking into an 'unclaimed' windswept area, or am I walking straight into the hood of another Wood Boss? Bigfoot can't afford these potential mistakes. The forests are full of other rival Bigfoots and you better know what turf you are treading on. A violent encounter could leave you injured or dead. The worst possible situation is being killed and having your body found by humans. Then their science confirms that you exist. Neither you, nor the rival male that killed you would ever want that to happen. Life is especially difficult for Bigfoot. First they have to struggle to survive as a competing animal, then they have to avoid positive confirmation by humans. They have to try to get them both right all the time. So far they have a perfect record against human confirmation. But we simply cannot account for the individual tolls that were paid by Bigfoots that thought they were looking at a wind break when they were instead looking at a turf break. These are the unseen wilderness battles that are played out daily beyond our vision. Bigfoot is an animal of basic survival; he is cunning, stealthy and majestic. Bigfoot is worthy of a human following. The Bigfooters lift a glass and salute Bigfoot as another year passes. Next year we will get you. We will get you, Bigfoot.

If Mr. Bigfoot wakes up after a nighttime windstorm and sees all the broken trees, will he think his territory has been invaded on all sides? Or does he somehow know?
 
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Nice WP ... You really should write a book ...



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William Parcher said:
I've always been confused with the Bigfooter claims about these broken trees and branches. The suggestion is that BF intentionally breaks these things to signal his presence and/or intent. Usually it is assumed to be a territory marker.

But how do the other Bigfoots know? If territorial tree breaks look just like wind breaks - then how can any Bigfoot strategically defend its own territory and also recognize the territories of others? It would seem that any Bigfoot would have the same problem that Bigfooters have. Was that tree broken by the wind or broken by a Bigfoot? Am I walking into an 'unclaimed' windswept area, or am I walking straight into the hood of another Wood Boss? Bigfoot can't afford these potential mistakes. The forests are full of other rival Bigfoots and you better know what turf you are treading on. A violent encounter could leave you injured or dead. The worst possible situation is being killed and having your body found by humans. Then their science confirms that you exist. Neither you, nor the rival male that killed you would ever want that to happen. Life is especially difficult for Bigfoot. First they have to struggle to survive as a competing animal, then they have to avoid positive confirmation by humans. They have to try to get them both right all the time. So far they have a perfect record against human confirmation. But we simply cannot account for the individual tolls that were paid by Bigfoots that thought they were looking at a wind break when they were instead looking at a turf break. These are the unseen wilderness battles that are played out daily beyond our vision. Bigfoot is an animal of basic survival; he is cunning, stealthy and majestic. Bigfoot is worthy of a human following. The Bigfooters lift a glass and salute Bigfoot as another year passes. Next year we will get you. We will get you, Bigfoot.

If Mr. Bigfoot wakes up after a nighttime windstorm and sees all the broken trees, will he think his territory has been invaded on all sides? Or does he somehow know?
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But, if bigfoot is hominid then that would mean that they are more intelligent than all other animals, presumably. They may have literally had several aeons to learn areas of hiding. If being hominid and witnessing what occurred to the native peoples in north america, they may have decided that it was best for their survival to avoid all contact. Except, of course for certain cases of claimed cohabitation. Fascinating. Man, I have so many questions myself. Like, it's been mentioned that bigfoot could be angered (myself) and he may have the ability to use primitive tools and weapons. So, what would happen if he hit someone 'dead center' in the chest with a mighty throw? (enough to bring down a mastadon)
 
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So, what would happen if he hit someone 'dead center' in the chest with a mighty throw? (enough to bring down a mastadon)
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It would be open season on Sasquatch, since they would have been shown to attack and kill humans simply because we made them angry. This would be completely different than being attacked by a bear or a cougar. The squeamishness about shooting bigfoot would be gone.
 
manofthesea said:
But, if bigfoot is hominid then that would mean that they are more intelligent than all other animals, presumably. They may have literally had several aeons to learn areas of hiding.
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Bigfoot didn't learn this stealth by trial-and-error. There has never been an error. We don't have any carcass or even bones. You can't even attribute the success to instinct by natural selection. This is based on the elimination of the "unfit" from the breeding pool. In this case, the unfit are those who were captured, killed or recovered by humans.

If being hominid and witnessing what occurred to the native peoples in north america, they may have decided that it was best for their survival to avoid all contact.
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You mean they saw what white people did to natives? Didn't Bigfoot already see what they had been doing to each other? All those tribes living here for centuries and not a single one of them has a Bigfoot skull or bone to show. Bigfoot was already avoiding physical confirmation way back in the days of the Indians. They didn't even have science, yet Bigfoot stayed one step ahead.

Man, I have so many questions myself. Like, it's been mentioned that bigfoot could be angered (myself) and he may have the ability to use primitive tools and weapons. So, what would happen if he hit someone 'dead center' in the chest with a mighty throw? (enough to bring down a mastadon)
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The one that came jet-roaring through the woods of your childhood probably would have killed you if you didn't flee. All those running animals knew that. Duh!

But MOTS, how do you explain that fool Bigfoot that chased you out of the forest? You could have blown him away with a rifle (putting the body on ice). He wasn't being very stealthy with the jet plane vocalizations and general tree smashing. Yet despite disclosing his exact position in broad daylight - he gets away with it again. The whole damn species does this stuff and never loses. Bigfoot exposes itself to hundreds of people each year and yet it never ever is killed or found dead (whole or pieces).
 
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William Parcher said:
Bigfoot didn't learn this stealth by trial-and-error. There has never been an error. We don't have any carcass or even bones. You can't even attribute the success to instinct by natural selection. This is based on the elimination of the "unfit" from the breeding pool. In this case, the unfit are those who were captured, killed or recovered by humans.



You mean they saw what white people did to natives? Didn't Bigfoot already see what they had been doing to each other? All those tribes living here for centuries and not a single one of them has a Bigfoot skull or bone to show. Bigfoot was already avoiding physical confirmation way back in the days of the Indians. They didn't even have science, yet Bigfoot stayed one step ahead.



The one that came jet-roaring through the woods of your childhood probably would have killed you if you didn't flee. All those running animals knew that. Duh!

But MOTS, how do you explain that fool Bigfoot that chased you out of the forest? You could have blown him away with a rifle (putting the body on ice). He wasn't being very stealthy with the jet plane vocalizations and general tree smashing. Yet despite disclosing his exact position in broad daylight - he gets away with it again. The whole damn species does this stuff and never loses. Bigfoot exposes itself to hundreds of people each year and yet it never ever is killed or found dead (whole or pieces).
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You're mostly right. Some native tribes were evidently at some accord with them.
If Les Stroud or Bear Grylls could be equipped with a hyped up taser and sent on a (bigfoot mission) trek, then maybe one could be captured. They apparently have the availability of immediate airborn assistance. Or maybe that Janice Carter lady will come through, a few serious researchers are heading to Tennessee for an interview and research. She states that bigfeet are telepathic, but not invincible. Somewhat rare, but approachable after repeated benign gestures. We'll see, what do you think?
 
Dfoot said:
(*I apologize for not being as tall or having legs as muscular as the 26 year old Heironimus.
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Did Dfoot seek to put Heironimus up on the pedestal again? ALL HAIL THE SPIRTUAL LEADER OF JAMES RANDI EDUCATIONAL FOUNDATION!

 
kitakaze said:
Well, what you truly experienced (and I must add the conditional of 'if anything') I can't really say. But you're a bright individual and I think you can understand given this being a skeptic's forum that the story you tell leaves us with more questions than answers.

Let me ask you this, bf2006 - if there are giant, dirty-white bigfoots* running around in front of houses in un-wooded, populated areas in Mississippi, can you really think it plausible that such an incredible species could have escaped classification? I mean think about. Ma and Pa are sitting at the table. "Honey-bun, would you listen to this? Says here in the paper scientists have found a giant rat five times the normal size in Indonesia." "Yes, fascinating, dear. Oh, for Pete's sake! Get the cowbell, would you? That blasted giant, white zoobie is on the lawn again. Do you see? Do you see what that hairy pecker is doing to my geraniums!?"

*I'm getting the feeling that you think white bigfoots are probably not so common.
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Hi again, Kitikaze. First of all, LOL at some of your post. Secondly, the creature I saw was heading towards a wooded area about I would guess 200 yards to the east. Thirdly, you are correct, white Sasquatch Creatures are NOT common at all. In fact, they are very rarely seen with that particular color. Fourthly, I can understand your reticence regarding how such an incredible species could have escaped classification. It seems a bit incredulous to me too that none of these creatures have been discovered, and I actually saw at least one! I sometimes wonder why there has been no concrete evidence brought in the prove their existence. In a way, I can sympathize with you skeptical thinkers here-oh, I'm sorry, I meant critical thinkers. Well, maybe I could coin a new name for the fine folks here-skeptical critical thinkers. I hope y'all like it. Anyway, I want to wish all here on the boards a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous 2008. And I will try not to be so much of a stranger here. Take care, all, especially you, Kitikaze.
 
BF 2006, I believe that it is possible to percieve many a strange thing, the question is what is the explanation for the perception? Our brains are really cool, but they can make some spectacularly bad rationalizations.

That is why scepticism and critical thinking go together. We may percieve things that don't have a good explanation. Confound it. There are a host of perceptual phenomena that could explain a lot of wierd stuff.

Perceptions are real to the subject, it is the explanation that is not objective.
 
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Dfoot wrote:
in the PG frames you are talking about my foam leg mimics precisely what is seen in that film.

The ability to ignore data that points to pads while stretching the imagination to make Patty's alleged leg muscles real reminds me of....
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Dfoot, could you demonstrate how your padded suit precisely mimics the changing shape of Patty's thigh?
I've demonstrated what I've said about Patty's leg shape, with highlighted frames.

So far, all you've done is talk.....and talk is damn cheap.

After you've done that, then you can make a judgement as to whether or not I'm ignoring data.


It's more group-think than open-minded research most of the time.
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I have an open mind.....just waiting for data. :eye-poppi
 
kitakaze said:
...snip...ETA: Sweaty, you do realize that Correa will most likely come back in the next 24 hours or so with some images of suits showing the same type of shape change you outlined?
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K., you know you should not talk about our NSA work schedule. Neal may be watching!

Now, do you really think I need to spend bandwidth with Sweaty's "argument"? Many pics and even footage pieces were posted by AMM, DFoot and myself, among other people, showing similar shadow plays. All his arguments and reasonings regarding Patty's alleged realism can be summarized in two words: confirmation bias.

Sweaty, regarding your last "argument"... Sorry, but its incredibly weak. First hole: You, once again, have not taken in to account the obvious issues when it comes to making measurements over images without taking the propper care. No, you are not alone in this, most PGF proponents fall in to the same trap over and over again. I could make a very different line placement, that would result in no change at all.

Now, what I feel is your argument's gapping hole. Pick a measurement tape. Measure your thigh's width or diameter while standing on the ground. Raise your leg, measure it again. What's the difference? Now, compare this difference with PGF's resolution as well as the possible values derived from your lines. Are they similar? Use the ratios, if you want. Not happy with the result? Feel free to repeat the measurements while contracting your thight's muscles as hard as you can.

The conclusion? Unless Patty was an incredibly pumped-up body builder, the contraction of her thights' muscles would never cause the effect you claim to see. Even if the error margins were good enough for such measurements, your reasoning would still sink.

Now, if you excuse me, I have to grab my black helicopter and go intercept Santa Claus... We, NSA, folks, have to keep people's belief that Santa is not real. Not to mention he may be bringing some reliable pro-bigfoot evidence for Sweaty. Sorry folks, Santa Claus is going down in flames and I'll eat reindeer barbecue tonight. They taste better than bigfeet meat. Merry Christmas!
 
"A man had questions about the PGF, and an old Apache gave him answers."

How long before our chief posts the same images with fairies and aliens circled?

So there are MULTIPLE large, hairy bipeds walking among the forest, and the PGF is the best we got. Is this not the least bit ridiculous to you? Or, are you with the "They hide in other dimensions." crowd?
 
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