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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Drewbot said:
The most convincing thing to me that the PGF is a Hoax is this.

Patty walked carefully ACROSS the view of the camera
Logically a 'shy' beast would run AWAY from the camera if it was scared/skittish

Patty was scared/skittish because Patterson and Gimlin said that she took off running when she reached the woods.
Why would a beast run AFTER reaching cover? Would it not run while in the open? then slow down upon reaching the safety of the trees?
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You know, Drew, to be honest I feel that those are the kinds of things that are like big neon signs for zealot footers to come and get all bent out of shape. It's like Sweaty bait. They're just going to come in with such and such reasons why it demonstrates the opposite. You're just setting yourself up IMHO.

It's like DFOOT. Now DFOOT is bringing some very interesting things to the table and his contributions have been very helpful, But, and I'm sure DFOOT can understand where this is coming from, when you start including a moving jaw apparatus in an attempt to recreate the PGF I think you've gone too far. IMO, I just don't agree anymore when skeptics spot footers too much when it comes to every little thing they dream up they can see. You end up with lttle Sweaty's mocking people after asking for suggestions to account for finger bending. It's not DFOOT's job to account for a moving jaw. It's up to the footers to show unequivocably that a jaw can be seen moving. I've seen that film as much as the rest of us and I've yet to see any such thing. Of course the footers will tell you it's a symptom of my denialism or scofticism or whatever excuse they can cook up.
 
Our saddlebags contained on one side rifles and grub and, on the other, ready-loaded movie- and still-cameras and other equipment.
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So where are the still photos they took of the tracks and the area? They did take nice still photos of these momentous tracks didn't they? A nice shot of the side by side tracks where Patty stood on the bank would be lovely, wouldn't it?

There must be a nice little grouping of tracks at that spot.

Patty must have walked up to the spot, stood there for a time, and then walked away. What a great track/trackway photo that would have been. It would even look good if they filmed it.

Alas...
 
Kitakaze,
Are you saying that I've left myself open to attack by those that promote the idea that Patty was acting as a lure, to get the evil humans away from her adolescent? I am just trying to show that common sense tells you that it is a hoax, if they want to come in and attack my position with 'broke-wing-kildeer' theory, I say let them expose how ridiculous their reaching has become.
 
Since I just dropped my own Sweaty bait a couple of posts above I might as well deal with it myself:

SweatyYeti said:
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You couldn't have stated it any better, historian!

I've said essentially the same thing about the "skeptical" thinking that exists on this forum....by calling it a 'sewer' of a discussion board.

The skeptical "analysis" of the evidence that goes on here is not critical analysis...it's wishful thinking analysis.

A great example of this is Correa's post with the images of Gorilla suits.

After reading it, I thought of the phrase...(inspired by the Christmas season)....."The Little Dreamer Boy"....to describe Correa. His comparison of the suits with Patty's hide is pure wishful thinking. I'll demonstrate why it is, sometime later today.
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Still waiting.
 
Drewbot said:
Kitakaze,
Are you saying that I've left myself open to attack by those that promote the idea that Patty was acting as a lure, to get the evil humans away from her adolescent?
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That's the first one that came to mind. I put my money on LAL.
(snip)I am just trying to show that common sense tells you that it is a hoax...
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We all agree that common sense points towards a hoax. I just think it's a much simpler common sense than any of her behaviours on film. I think the "40 yers and that's the best you got!?" is great. I also think the excuses and wishful thinking you have to engage in to get around it is far more transparent.

That's not to say that the Mama Patty routine isn't Swiss.
 
Dfoot said:
The photo above is from some behind the scenes video I took on BUFFY. Stuntman Lee Whitaker has his foot pointed straight yet it appears to have a mid-tarsal bend; the type that Dr. Meldrum and others noticed on the PG film. This is typical of this type of fake foot. Sorry. Reality rears its ugly head once more.
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That's a great shot. What's he humping?:D
 
kitakaze said:
Since I just dropped my own Sweaty bait a couple of posts above I might as well deal with it myself:

Still waiting.
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I will get to that....I just haven't had time to highlight Correa's gorilla suit pictures yet.
I'll get them posted no later than Friday....I promise! :)
 
You know, it's funny. Every other animal I've seen in nature that tries to lure animals away from young either:
1. Tries to look "wounded"...i.e.-you'd expoect PAtty to fake a limp, not stroll casually.
2. Tries to look like fleeing prey...you'd expect it to run, not stroll casually.
3. Will circle around and make harassment attacks to get the predators attention.

I've also yet to see an animal that will attempt to "lure away" a predator that it could easily pound into jelly.

Oh, yeah, "unknown species! Unknown species! I can pull whatever wild speculation I want out of my fourth point of contact to explain why I have no evidence, and you can't stop me! And...and...I'm invisible...and immune to bullets, and I'm on safe!! Nyah nyah!"

Anyone ever get the feeling that this is the intellectual equivalent of Calvinball?
 
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SweatyYeti said:
I will get to that....I just haven't had time to highlight Correa's gorilla suit pictures yet.
I'll get them posted no later than Friday....I promise! :)
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I'm sure it will support the validity of the PGF as much as your other demonstrations.

In the mean time...

40 years and that's the best you got!?
 
Huntsman said:
You know, it's funny. Every other animal I've seen in nature that tries to lure animals away from young either:
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Ah, you see Patty knew she was dealing with the males of another hominid species. She went for a little sultry saunter with a fine view of diaper butt goodness and a little flash of the hair cans for maximum enticement.
 
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SweatyYeti said:
I will get to that....I just haven't had time to highlight Correa's gorilla suit pictures yet.
I'll get them posted no later than Friday....I promise! :)
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Hey Sweaty, what do you make of the dark band on Patty's wrist that you say doesn't exist?

Would you like me to post the picture again or do you have it memorized by now?
 
GT/CS said:
Hey Sweaty, what do you make of the dark band on Patty's wrist that you say doesn't exist?

Would you like me to post the picture again or do you have it memorized by now?
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GT/CS.....Can you point out the "wrist bands" in this high-quality Cibachrome image?...

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I'd have more to say about them, if they actually showed-up in this high-quality image....but, as it is....I don't see them.

Feel free to re-post that lower-quality image, though.....if it makes you happy.
 
She was just swinging along as the first part of my film shows but, all of a sudden, she just stopped dead and looked around at me. She wasn't scared a bit. Fact is, I don't think she was scared of me, and the only thing I can think of is that the clicking of my camera was new to her."
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Why is Roger claiming that Patty stopped and looked back at him while he was filming her? He is clearly claiming she stopped and even giving a reason for it that is actually plausible.
 
Here is the undeniable claim that Patty ran away just like a human when she reached cover. Where are the casts and photos of the tracks she made when she ran? They would be very interesting and would be very good evidence when compared to casts where Patty stood and turned, and where she walked.

Roger is clear that they did not lose her tracks in pine needles until after they had tracked her for 3.5 miles.

When she got around the corner and into the real heavy stuff [timber and underbrush] she did take off--running, I mean because, when we lost her tracks on pine needles after tracking her for about three and a-half miles, we took plaster casts of her tracks. Now, down by the creek, in the sand, where we first spotted her, her stride was from forty to forty-two inches from the back of the heel on the left side to the back of the right heel ahead; but when she got really going, she left tracks that measured sixty-five inches from back heel to back heel. Man, she was running just like you and I do!
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