Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[manofthesea]

Actually, I Was Addressing Ray

I assume that you are addressing me, since Ray likely has none.

Yes, I have evidence of inter-dimensional people, that exist right alongside us. But I won't post it on the internet, so please don't ask.

Many famous physicists are fully aware that Bigfoot are real and are inter-dimensional. They will only hint of the existence of higher dimensional people, like Michio Kaku, but will not state that the Bigfoot is their best research subject. I will though. Bigfoot is their best research subject.

(Remember, us nsa targets are {somewhat} allies; and we're never to address each other)

Skeptics feel free to say any sort of nonsense, but hold bigfoot supporters accountable for such small things as misplaced commas.

 

[manofthesea]

This Actually Makes Sense

Primary directive of the NSA moles working illegally within U.S. borders, and legally outside of U.S. borders:
Create dissension among bigfoot researchers, plant seeds of doubt in regard to evidence, confiscate evidence as necessary, destroy bigfoot researcher's reputation, make bigfoot researchers unemployable, whenever and wherever possible

Secondary directive of the NSA:
Never violate the primary directive

Now look at kitakaze's posts. Most of his posts, are compatible with the PRIMARY DIRECTIVE.

NSA targeting bigfooters, police targeting jaywalkers, fbi targeting small time drug dealers... I guess you gotta pick a fight that you can actually win, huh? The U.S. targeting Iraq.

The nsa can't even use the name mohammed without fear of reprisal. The police are in the pockets of the meth trade. The fbi are a bunch of pinheads. And we should be kicking the s--- out of France anyway. (They are the ones supplying all the nasty s--- to these arabs.) But if you think the gov't would have a sociopath like kk on the payroll,...well that makes sense too. Just take a glance at the anthrax attack thread, and see some of the people on "our" side.

Oh, and yes, we are control the traffic lights.

 

[Dfoot]

Hi historian - The original mask did indeed exist. Like the body suit of the Gorn character it has vanished. It was last seen (in public) when Wah Chang was getting rid of a bunch of Star Trek stuff in 1966.

Of course, if you were part of a hoax that duped people out of literally millions of dollars you might be reluctant to mention that it ever existed. You might even be inclined to burn the thing. At any rate, I'll mention it to some pals who were involved in the PG hoax and see if they know what was done with it. Should it still exist I'll certainly show it to you (as if that would help).

The photo above is from some behind the scenes video I took on BUFFY. Stuntman Lee Whitaker has his foot pointed straight yet it appears to have a mid-tarsal bend; the type that Dr. Meldrum and others noticed on the PG film. This is typical of this type of fake foot. Sorry. Reality rears its ugly head once more.

I do think that there is something behind the tribal legends of hairy people living in the mountains, but what it has become with the hoaxing and the delusions make it a difficult topic to look into.

Let's put the hoaxes behind us; including this Patterson thing. What's behind the worldwide legend? Is it myth or based on something tangible from the past? We'll never know if we keep bending over backwards to make excuses for the Ivan Marx's and Roger Patterson's of the world.

And do take into account this photo of a Ray Wallace print next to the original Jerry Crew cast. In Dr. Meldrum's book you'll find he does the same thing as everyone else. He places the "hour glass" print from Wallace next to this Crew print. By placing the a cast next to a print that it doesn't resemble on purpose it makes him look less than scientific in his observations.

The "hour glass with crack in it" print matches the track that Green is seen posing next to. Both sets of tracks are in Meldrum's book. Take the photos and put them next to the proper print they go with and you've got a match.

That kind of selective evidence is beyond bad - it's delusional. Let's drop it and go with what we have... stories from credible folk that should be looked into. That is all we have after all.

So... take your night vision and a rifle and meet me in the cave high in the mountains above Vancouver. Let's go! We'll get that dang Bigfoot by next summer for sure. Or not...

 

[GT/CS]

An interesting quote from the straight dope website about JREF.

Quote:
"There's a big difference between that forum [JREF] and this [Straight Dope]. Here, when we get a loony, we get someone who is reasonably sane and coherent. Over there, the lunacy goes off the scale."

ETA: Dfoot you posted before I did but this is not addressed towards you.

 

[Dfoot]

No problem GT/CS, as you can see by my expression I'm from another dimension anyhow. All internet traffic passes through me as if through a ghostly apparition...

Come to think of it, maybe that's the answer? Bigfoot is extinct BUT HIS GHOSTS continue to walk the earth. That could explain some things.

I go forth to spread that new theory now.

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

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Hi historian - The original mask did indeed exist. Like the body suit of the Gorn character it has vanished. It was last seen (in public) when Wah Chang was getting rid of a bunch of Star Trek stuff in 1966.

If the Gorn mask can survive for decades, then I'd imagine the mask from the Galileo 7 episode should still be around (provided that it wasn't destroyed).

I do think that there is something behind the tribal legends of hairy people living in the mountains, but what it has become with the hoaxing and the delusions make it a difficult topic to look into.

The description for this video claims that black bears were known as "the four legged people" by Native Americans (sadly, it doesn't mention if this was a term used by certain tribes or not). Someone should look into that one of these days...

 

[historian]

historian[/B] - The original mask did indeed exist. Like the body suit of the Gorn character it has vanished. It was last seen (in public) when Wah Chang was getting rid of a bunch of Star Trek stuff in 1966.

Oops, Another fib by Dfoot. Patterson-Gimlin film was shot in 1967, one year after you claim the authentic Patty bigfoot costume disappeared. That would create a bit of an anomaly in space-time. An inanimate object disappearing a full year before it becomes animate. Ooooh! This is starting to get kind of scarey, or, just plain stupid. This is typical of the manufactured facts put forth by skeptics, that has caused this thread to perpetuate ad nauseum into infinity.

 

[historian]

An interesting quote from the straight dope website about JREF.

Quote:
"There's a big difference between that forum [JREF] and this [Straight Dope]. Here, when we get a loony, we get someone who is reasonably sane and coherent. Over there, the lunacy goes off the scale."

ETA: Dfoot you posted before I did but this is not addressed towards you.

Actually, it is. He just didn't have the guts to say it to your face. Nothing personal of course. Just taking care of the business of discreditation.

 

[historian]

What is it? Who cares?

Diogenes and RayG you have PM's.

Isn't that the equivalent of "calling an audible on the line"? Similar to football. This new play of ignoring, supercedes the previous play of attacking everything that a pro-bigfooter states. Pure genius! No wonder I can't win any arguments.

 

[tomwaits]

Should I pray to bigfoot?

 

[RayG]

Isn't that the equivalent of "calling an audible on the line"? Similar to football. This new play of ignoring, supercedes the previous play of attacking everything that a pro-bigfooter states. Pure genius! No wonder I can't win any arguments.

Ummm, historian, much as you'd like it to be, it's not all about you ya know.

RayG

 

[cloudshipsrule]

Bigfoot believers: What's the number one reason you believe in bigfoot?

 

[chillzero]

clouships, that sounds like a really good question to ask - as a new thread. I think it would be an ideal candidate as an OP for a new thread to discuss Bigfoot belief.

 

[Correa Neto]

Let me spare you the workload. Not to mention I am not really sure we need another bigfoot thread...

Here are the main answers that I found at threads similar to your suggestion at BFF and similar places:
1.- The PGF
2.- The bulk of evidence -sighting reports, footprints with dermals and midtarsal breaks and footage (PGF, MDF)- or some combination of these evidence "types"
3.- An encounter

Of course, the above is my opinion, based on anedoctal evidence. Its a qualitative evaluation at best.

 

[GT/CS]

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No problem GT/CS, as you can see by my expression I'm from another dimension anyhow. All internet traffic passes through me as if through a ghostly apparition...

Come to think of it, maybe that's the answer? Bigfoot is extinct BUT HIS GHOSTS continue to walk the earth. That could explain some things.

I go forth to spread that new theory now.

I really, really, really like that theory. You have one convert!

This isn't going to become some weird cult is it?

 

[Hellbound]

This isn't going to become some weird cult is it?

Of course not.

Now shut up and drink your Kool-Aid.

 

[kitakaze]

Let me spare you the workload. Not to mention I am not really sure we need another bigfoot thread...

Here are the main answers that I found at threads similar to your suggestion at BFF and similar places:
1.- The PGF
2.- The bulk of evidence -sighting reports, footprints with dermals and midtarsal breaks and footage (PGF, MDF)- or some combination of these evidence "types"
3.- An encounter

Of course, the above is my opinion, based on anedoctal evidence. Its a qualitative evaluation at best.

The "What Keeps You Believing?" thread is the first one that comes to mind. Why doesn't anyone ever say some cool stuff like...

- I don't really believe. I just needed an equally eccentric hobby to go with my love of ascots and fidoras.

- Bigfoot? Oh right, bigfoot. Well, it's a Brokeback Mountain thing, really. It's just everyone knew though I adore fur, guns make me sqeamish. Just an excuse to get in the woods with burly man-things!

- Bigfoot? Oh right, bigfoot. My accountant told me to do it. All the night vision gear. Tax thing... complicated.

- You mean people actually believe this stuff? Beckjord told me it was a really easy way to get freaky ladies.

- Mother said if I believed in bigfoot it would keep away all the freaky ladies.

- Because our bigfoot overlords assure me of there coming awakening every night from under my bed.

Wait, we've heard the last one, right?

 

[cloudshipsrule]

Thanks correa,

I expected those answers, with the intention of making fun of them, but I'm getting bored with the whole BF thing. I suppose if it makes people happy to believe, what the hell. They can base their beliefs on old film footage taken by a known hoaxer, footprints known to be forged, and their own experience which was inconclusive because no actual, quality image was taken if they want to.

I have yet to see ANY actual proof of BF that can't be readily disputed. We have dinasaur bones from a creature which became extinct a LONG, LONG time ago, but no BF bones. BF is supposed to still exist, which means they are have lifespans of hundreds of years (Longer than any other known homo) or they are still breeding to this day. If they are still breeding, there should be many more than ONE walking around, which means there should be evidence like bones, poop, hair, whatever. That also means patty should not have been alone, since he was a she. Why didn't the male attack? Oh yeah, they're shy.

There's always an excuse.

We don't have to make excuses for any other creature extinct or alive because there is REAL evidence.

How frustrating!

 

[Correa Neto]

...snip...
- Mother said if I believed in bigfoot it would keep away all the freaky ladies.
...snip...

Ah! Yes!
*Lights a cigar, looks at Freud's portait on the wall*
"Mother said"! Now we're starting to make progress!
What else your mother said about freaky women?

Oh, so sorry, your time is out! Tempus fugit!
Leave the check with the secretary and don't be late for our next session next week, same day, same our.

Next patient, please!

 

[Drewbot]

The most convincing thing to me that the PGF is a Hoax is this.

Patty walked carefully ACROSS the view of the camera
Logically a 'shy' beast would run AWAY from the camera if it was scared/skittish

Patty was scared/skittish because Patterson and Gimlin said that she took off running when she reached the woods.
Why would a beast run AFTER reaching cover? Would it not run while in the open? then slow down upon reaching the safety of the trees?