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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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mangler said:
Come on Historian, bigfoot and the PGF are a walking contradiction, partly fact and partly fiction (Kristofferson). Bigfoot is elusive, yet it throws stones at people, but only people who it knows won’t pursue it. It tries to communicate with the professional bigfooters but this seems to make the bigfooters sleepy so they nap while bigfoot waits, then when they awake bigfoot becomes elusive once again. Bigfoot can’t seem to make its mind up, does it want to communicate with us or not?

Bigfoot’s STUPID!


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I know people that Bigfoot has communicated with, and they are not asleep.

El M.
 
One major problem with many people here, (not all) is that they are not Bigfoot researchers as such, but are merely dilettantes who think they can tear down the whole castle
with what they think is logic.

Ain't gonna happen.

El M.
 
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The hair on Patty is manifestly fake, actually:
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I spent a lot of personal face to face time with Dr Bernard in 1990
and showed him the film over and over, in 16mm, and then in slides, over and over.

He concluded the film and the creature are real (not hoaxed) and made some
drawings that showed his views.

If he changed his mind later, I do not know, for I do not see the date on the

comments in the former post. All I know is what he came to believe in 1990.

El M.
 
Yes, you probably are full of Correa.

Maybe its because I keep finding those gapping holes at your claims... OK, why don't you two, Beckjord and Neal start the action we are eagerly awaiting for?

We expected to see some pieces of reliable evidence, but since you two do not have any, what about starting the great bigfoot woo clash?
 
Correa Neto said:
Yes, you probably are full of Correa.

Maybe its because I keep finding those gapping holes at your claims... OK, why don't you two, Beckjord and Neal start the action we are eagerly awaiting for?

We expected to see some pieces of reliable evidence, but since you two do not have any, what about starting the great bigfoot woo clash?
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Burgstahler's too afraid of Beckjord jumping in the rig, rolling over to his house, and giving him the ol' mace and flashlight treatment.

Of all the simple commands Neal says he can get invisible bigfoot to follow 'don't let Beckjord beat me silly' is not one of them.

Of course my awe-inspiring paranormal bigfoot research abilities would pummel both of them. If they want a piece of me we can take it over to Neal's thread.
 
 
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One major problem with many people here, (not all) is that they are not Bigfoot researchers as such, but are merely dilettantes who think they can tear down the whole castle
with what they think is logic.
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Here's your problem: There is no castle.
 
I spent a lot of personal face to face time with Dr Bernard in 1990
and showed him the film over and over, in 16mm, and then in slides, over and over.

He concluded the film and the creature are real (not hoaxed) and made some
drawings that showed his views.
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You of course, cannot back these claims up at all. Unless you can, I consider them nothing but outright lies, beckjord.
 
doctoratlantis said:
Holy crap! Michio Kaku is higher dimensional?
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Neal was a little behind:

kitakaze said:
Is Michio Kaku aware of these invisible bigfeet?
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historian said:
I cannot imagine that Kaku, is not aware of the invisible Bigfoot.
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Hey look! In the same post he lays it down on Cedrip:

Beckjord, rarely gets out in the woods. He relies heavily on finding faces or other dark shapes in photographs of trees that through his wild imagination, he concludes that they have strange connections that are often Bigfoot. I have gone back to areas where other blobsquatch experts find bigfoot in trees and have investigates those dark shapes. By pure chance, mere shadows just happened to take on some strange shape, in those cases. Even Beckjord's recent bigfoot expedition picture that he claims is a bigfoot standing by an SUV, appears to be another case of his imagination gone wild. In that picture, he uses the rear view mirror inside of the SUV, to depict male genetalia. He has apparently had a number of possible Bigfoot experiences though, where they may have hypnotized him in some manner since they may not have valued his company very highly. Beckjord turns a lot of people off on the paranormal bigfoot. Beckjord is just trying to be the last man standing, by eliminating all his competition, so that he can get back onto Letterman.
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Man, it's a good thing Beckjord isn't here to see that. He'd put the smackdown on Burgstahler big time!
 
Hey, you think bigfeet hipnotized Beckie?

Wow...

Perhaps that would explain some odd behavior patterns!
 
kitakaze said:
Man, it's a good thing Beckjord isn't here to see that. He'd put the smackdown on Burgstahler big time!
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Primary directive of the NSA moles working illegally within U.S. borders, and legally outside of U.S. borders:
Create dissension among bigfoot researchers, plant seeds of doubt in regard to evidence, confiscate evidence as necessary, destroy bigfoot researcher's reputation, make bigfoot researchers unemployable, whenever and wherever possible

Secondary directive of the NSA:
Never violate the primary directive

Now look at kitakaze's posts. Most of his posts, are compatible with the PRIMARY DIRECTIVE.
 

:boxedin: Poking my head in to bombard the crowd once more...

The above is a human footprint in the sand next to Patty's print. When the human foot goes into the rubber foot, guess what happens? Yeah... mid-tarsal breakage. Same as it ever was.

The GORN feet and hands.... Janos Prohaska and son wearing their bear suits.... same latex that bends the same way as Patty's does in the film and tracks. Janos puts his toes to the top of the fake foot and points his toes to bend them forward in this photo. When he walks in it he makes the "mid-tarsal break". Latex feet work like that.

Since we know Janos, Wah Chang and John Chambers used padding and latex in suits in precisely the method shown in "Patty" then we should be able to comprehend the fact that, YES, we did make such things in 1967.

So... I found the head Wah sculpted in '63 sitting in Bob Burn's basement. I found that the head and feet of the Gorn had been auctioned off and then sold again in 2001.

I recall an episode of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER in which I worked with a guy who owned a bear suit that looked amazingly like the bear suits Janos owned back in the 60's. Turns out that not only does it look like it, IT IS the same suit. He obtained it from Janos' family. He also obtained others. I'll be hooking up with him in the new year to find out just WHAT ELSE might have survived the 1960's to be refurbished and used or stored. Who knows what we may find? (Buffy is on bottom right and Janos on bottom left... sorry it's so dark)

Janos said in his interview for the Ron Olson/Patterson documentary that he didn't know where they could find anyone to fit into such a suit. Yet he worked with the guy who wore the mask on Star Trek, Buck Maffei (shown here at Corriganville - home of gorillaman Crash Corrigan and also the haunt of a certain rodeo cowboy who was seen giving rides for money to little kids on tiny ponies). Maffei and the usual big boys Janos worked with were all bigger than Patty was claimed to be by Patterson.

QUESTION: Is it coincidence that the short rodeo cowboy seen giving rides to kids in the early 60's at the western movie town that Patterson partner Jerry Merritt would later imitate down to the exact number of shows and buildings would happen to show up at Bluff Creek with the very mask worn by Corriganville performer Buck Maffei?

Is it coincidence that Maffei, Janos and the rest all worked together on the same creature fx laden shows with John Chambers and Wah Chang?

On the face of it... I'd say there might be something to learn there. Certainly more realistic an investigation than making up goofy excuses for what we wish to be real (the PG flick).

Reality is something you can hold in your hand (like a mask that perfectly matches Patty's features) or make footprints with (like rubber feet of the type used by Janos). Fantasy is claiming dermal ridges no one has ever seen before can only be attributed to a real foot no one has ever touched before.
 
historian said:
Primary directive of the NSA moles working illegally within U.S. borders, and legally outside of U.S. borders:
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You'd think it'd have something to do with national security but no. Be a dear and point me to the leak so I can, you know... zap zap.

Create dissension among bigfoot researchers
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Not very strenuous. BTW, do my NSA tactics include hacking into your account and writing nasty posts about Beckjord?

plant seeds of doubt in regard to evidence
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Man, did I come to the right place to plant seeds of doubt about invisible bigfoot evidence!

confiscate evidence as necessary
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Can I have your avatar, please?

destroy bigfoot researcher's reputation
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I'd let you have one but Beckjord's using it right now. If you want it then you and bigfoot are going to have to do something about your fear of flashlights.

make bigfoot researchers unemployable
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I'm sorry you're unemployed. Have you tried getting advice from creekfreak?
 
Dfoot said:
Reality is something you can hold in your hand (like a mask that perfectly matches Patty's features) or make footprints with (like rubber feet of the type used by Janos). Fantasy is claiming dermal ridges no one has ever seen before can only be attributed to a real foot no one has ever touched before.
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And yet the supposed Patty mask, HAS NEVER SURFACED! It is almost as if, dare I say it, IT NEVER EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE! If the original Patty mask did exist, it would have to be worth many millions of dollars. One would think that Heironious, would have had the foresight to stow it away someplace for safe keeping. So that he later, could not easily be shown to be a LIAR. But Heironious did not stow a Patty mask away, because it never existed in the first place. Yet there are still flakes out there, who claim that this mask or that mask was the Patty mask. It is beyond my comprehension, to understand how those persons think that they can pull off their outrageous scams. Unless of course, they think that the rest of us, are dumb as dirt.

So the reality is, that there is NO MASK that anyone can hold in their hand and pass it off as the Patty mask. End of story. Case closed. Patty is real. Bigfoot is real. It's been real, fun.
 
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kitakaze said:
Can I have your avatar, please?
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Which finally brings us to my avatar. Now what do you supposed it is? A miniature sun? The relection of the moon in a mirror. An angel? A flashlight suspended in mid-air without a casing? A light bulb suspended in mid-air without a light bulb? Gee. Now now what could it possibly be? Especially since most people have never seen anything like this up close, with their naked eye. And to get it on film. Perhaps if it was captured off of a video, then the video would be worth the Randi millions. But wait. It was. So that would mean, that something out there cannot be easily explained with the typical 1st grade science class mentality. And that there is something paranormal in this world. No! It can't be. Kitakaze just won't have it. Now you Kitakaze should hold your hands over your eyes, everytime my avatar comes up, to assist you living in denial of paranormal spirits. And it wouldn't hurt to chant, "nanananananana, I can't hear you, nanananananananana orbs aren't real nananananananana!" Then you just run away from your computer and go play someplace else.
 
What is it? Who cares?

Diogenes and RayG you have PM's.
 
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