Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[manofthesea]

Been Through This

Yes, I should have expected as much. I see scrutiny is difficult for you. OK, nobody get wise. A steam train called bigfoot came through.

It's true!

I went through this at BFF. With the bleevrs. They called me BS too.
I have no desire to prove myself here.
Doesn't fit with everyone's perception of sasquatch, ie. Patty.

 

[manofthesea]

At what point of which ten second burst as loud as a jet plane low overhead did the 10-15 second wave of varied wildlife come busting out and also exactly at which point did you kids turn and bolt?

Why was an axe taken?

Why and how did your friend's uncle get so upset when arriving at the cabin under construction?

You mean the one where your father and brother were very skeptical of the face you thought was there and after a stick was thrown, nothing unpleasant happened and you promptly resumed the fishing trip? Lucky for you that one was so chill. You'd think a kid who's been chased by a train called bigfoot wouldn't be so quick to chuck sticks at them.

You tell fun stories, MOTS.

We saw the wildlife burst across the road. That was funny.
We heard the howls. That wasn't funny.
We heard the crashing in the forest. That got scary. And we took off.

The axe was supposedly taken to practice cutting trees. But his uncle used it to compare with bigfoot's damage.

His uncle was mad because he already had fought against that other cabin.
His was supposed to be the only one on the hill.

Bigfoot is bad, but my dad was BAD. And he had his fishing knife.

 

[manofthesea]

This Was the Mid 70's

MOTS
is it possible that the howling you heard was a 'Bigfooter' out scoping his favorite area? The deer and assorted animals were running from him, and since you weren't howling, they thought you less of a threat and went scooting by?

Also, I didn't see what time of year was the howling/animals freaking out?

Yeah, but what came crashing through the trees. A Ring-Wraith?

It was mid-summer.

Drew, you were one of the interragators at BFF. Asking the same things.

 

[manofthesea]

Filtration?

Real footers never go back and investigate. You are only hurting your credibility.

How did you find foot tracks among all of the stampeding stoat and goat footprints, etc.? How did you determine where the foot was to look for it's tracks?

All that effort from a huge biped and you got one clear track? In area with a road and a clearing from a bulldozer?

Earlier you said this:

The road was there previous to the cabin. It went over the hill and down to some gas stop town. We were on the Samish Lake side. It was probably an old logging road. Unpaved.

The print was at the edge of the road, on the forest side where he came out.
The print was pointed uphill, as if it just stopped to look up towards the cabin, probably less than 50 feet. It was big, nondescript, except for a large side toe that was explained away as a stick that was pressed down.

 

[kitakaze]

I went through this at BFF. With the bleevrs. They called me BS too.
I have no desire to prove myself here.
Doesn't fit with everyone's perception of sasquatch, ie. Patty.

Can you tell us the other threads where you related the story other than you 'Wanna hear a scary story' thread? In that one poster Bitter Monk was the only one obviously calling 'jnugle' on you. You may not have a desire to prove yourself but you obviously had a desire to tell a story spun as true. You like to tell stories, MOTS. It comes through blatantly. I don't have the slightest desire to try and make sense of your tales when it becomes clear you like to tell tales. Atomic humoured you, I won't. Why should we? Bigfoot is all you'll have. "I'm an encounter woo." You're just woo, MOTS. The story you tell isn't even coherent.

"What? Bigfoot chased you kids? And someone's putting a cabin up!? Get my axe, I need to practice cutting wood. Bigfoot, shmigfoot. Wood ape fits be damned, there's development happening here. I feel cramped. This is my hill!"

 

[kitakaze]

Bigfoot is bad, but my dad was BAD. And he had his fishing knife.

Ah, I see. Must have been bigfoot. In your anecdote the other two family members with you did not see what you said you saw. Bigfoot did not react with forest clearing rage at the stick throwing insult because it recognized the inherit badness of Dad and his trusty fishing knife.

Bigfoot's one crazy cat. You're lucky to encounter him so much.

 

[manofthesea]

Oh Well

Can you tell us the other threads where you related the story other than you 'Wanna hear a scary story' thread? In that one poster Bitter Monk was the only one obviously calling 'jnugle' on you. You may not have a desire to prove yourself but you obviously had a desire to tell a story spun as true. You like to tell stories, MOTS. It comes through blatantly. I don't have the slightest desire to try and make sense of your tales when it becomes clear you like to tell tales. Atomic humoured you, I won't. Why should we? Bigfoot is all you'll have. "I'm an encounter woo." You're just woo, MOTS. The story you tell isn't even coherent.

"What? Bigfoot chased you kids? And someone's putting a cabin up!? Get my axe, I need to practice cutting wood. Bigfoot, shmigfoot. Wood ape fits be damned, there's development happening here. I feel cramped. This is my hill!"

That's the way it went down. Like I said, check it out if you wish. Bellingham ain't that far from BC. About 20 miles, or 30 k.

Anyway, I got my story out. The people out there (researchers who've experienced it) will know what to take out of it.

I thought you were either Bitter Monk or rockinkt. Still do.

 

[manofthesea]

Ah, I see. Must have been bigfoot. In your anecdote the other two family members with you did not see what you said you saw. Bigfoot did not react with forest clearing rage at the stick throwing insult because it recognized the inherit badness of Dad and his trusty fishing knife.

Bigfoot's one crazy cat. You're lucky to encounter him so much.

They called him (dad) Buddy, or Bud.

 

[kitakaze]

That's the way it went down. Like I said, check it out if you wish. Bellingham ain't that far from BC. About 20 miles, or 30 k.

Just a knit-pick, BTW, but try the math with Tokyo. Regardless, what warrants further investigation into your anecdotes?

Anyway, I got my story out. The people out there (researchers who've experienced it) will know what to take out of it.

Hold on, I need the woo translator. Oh, ok. "I received the attention I was seeking and dodged the questions which were inconvenient." Gotcha.

I thought you were either Bitter Monk or rockinkt. Still do.

You also thought MOTS was some kind of secret slur. Think about that.

 

[manofthesea]

Attention?

Just a knit-pick, BTW, but try the math with Tokyo. Regardless, what warrants further investigation into your anecdotes?Hold on, I need the woo translator. Oh, ok. "I received the attention I was seeking and dodged the questions which were inconvenient." Gotcha.You also thought MOTS was some kind of secret slur. Think about that.

You didn't link to Webshots, didn't ya? Man, I'm good to go.
Bigfoot is not something I'm obsessed with. It's just something that happened. I kinda stumbled onto BFF. When I was suspended there, I noticed the references to JREF.

This shouldn't be a Keystone Cops type of investigation. People need to use some smarts to catch bigfoot. Trying to communicate with him by some woo method ain't cutting it. That's where mapping, trekking, and observation is going to have to be stepped up.

Tokyo, my son said that place is crowded. Even at the simplest park you are surrounded by 500 people. (how much is 500 people in metric?) He went to a Bon dance (party) inside of that field next to the airport. (osaka) Kind of like being in a Speed Racer cartoon.

 

[kitakaze]

They called him (dad) Buddy, or Bud.

Buddy. Yes, very good. Thank you for that pertinent information addressing the ridiculousness of your tale.

 

[manofthesea]

Just a knit-pick, BTW,
.You also thought MOTS was some kind of secret slur. Think about that.

No, it's just the way it was used with "BSer". I know what BS means.
I don't like to use slurs, like pinhead.

 

[manofthesea]

Anyone ever tell you "You Need to Focus!"?

Can you tell us the other threads where you related the story other than you 'Wanna hear a scary story' thread? In that one poster Bitter Monk was the only one obviously calling 'jnugle' on you. You may not have a desire to prove yourself but you obviously had a desire to tell a story spun as true. You like to tell stories, MOTS. It comes through blatantly. I don't have the slightest desire to try and make sense of your tales when it becomes clear you like to tell tales. Atomic humoured you, I won't. Why should we? Bigfoot is all you'll have. "I'm an encounter woo." You're just woo, MOTS. The story you tell isn't even coherent.

"What? Bigfoot chased you kids? And someone's putting a cabin up!? Get my axe, I need to practice cutting wood. Bigfoot, shmigfoot. Wood ape fits be damned, there's development happening here. I feel cramped. This is my hill!"

The story is not supposed to "make sense". We were two kids out messing around in the woods. We got chased. The next day, we didn't want to go unless they brought the shotgun. They decided on the axe, and would show us how to chop wood since we were going up the hill and possibly check out the woods.

 

[manofthesea]

Word to the Wise

Buddy. Yes, very good. Thank you for that pertinent information addressing the ridiculousness of your tale.

You really need to be cautious when using someone's name.

ETA: got to head to the parts store, and do some repairs. Hopefully, I'll not be too long.

 

[Judaculla]

A few years ago in a quasi-systematic fashion, I contacted via e-mail or phone several national forests and state fish and wildlife/DNRs to see if anyone had any information on reported sightings or activity. I also did the same with trail camera companies.

Last week, I gave the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife another shot. I sent the following e-mail.

Hello. I'm curious about Washington's legendary sasquatch. Does your office ever receive any reports from individuals claiming to have seen one? If so, how do you treat those reports?

Thank you for your time and patience in dealing with an odd question.

FWIW, I received the following response today. They had not responded to my previous inquiry a couple of years ago.:

Thank you for your email asking for information regarding "sasquatch". The publicity regarding the possible existence of an undiscovered, primate in the state of Washington has subsided somewhat over the past twenty years. To our knowledge, nothing significant has recently been reported.

While the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife does not have an official position on the existence of "sasquatch", it seems unlikely that such a creature could exist in this state without more frequent sightings or encounters with humans. This state has a very high density of humans and though extensive remote areas persist, it seems unlikely that a primate could exist in viable numbers and yet escape human detection.

Some day we might be surprised with an indisputable discovery, but at this point with all the publicity, and interest, and searching, nothing undeniable has surfaced. We appreciate your interest and questions and wish you luck in your pursuit of additional information. If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns feel free to contact the Wildlife Program at [removed phone number].

Sincerely,

Wildlife Program Customer Service

 

[kitakaze]

Last week, I gave the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife another shot. I sent the following e-mail.

Judaculla, that was an excellently worded and concise e-mail. Proponents will have none of that reply, though. Have you already or are planning to post that at the BFF?

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

I felt the bear suggestion was lame. Bears don't let out that kind of simian yell.

You'd be surprised at the variety of sounds a bear can produce (black bears, in that website's case). You can also hear more variations on bear noises (but not apelike ones) in these videos. With that in mind, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a bear could produce a "simian" sounding noise.

But, hey, maybe it wasn't a bear making the noise. Perhaps it was a deer or an elk making the noise while a bear made the track/tore up the forest/scared the animals. As several of the elk sound recordings here show, elk can make some rather apelike noises. You can hear more elk noises here.

I've heard that a deer screaming sounds rather eerie as well. In addition to the sounds given there, I have found another website with several deer sound effects.

This video starts with what's supposedly the sound of a Bigfoot roaring (the comments claim it was lifted from "The Legend of Boggy Creek") and one of the commenters (panikdapig) notes that the beginning of the roar sounds like that of a European Red Deer.

This site says that "It is impossible to accurately describe the range of sounds that a male red deer can make--the animal can sound like a howling wolf, screaming howler monkey or even a fog horn. " According to an article cited on the Wikipedia entry on the subject, "Male European Red Deer have a distinctive "roar" during the rut, which is an adaptation to forested environments, as opposed to male Wapiti (or American Elk) which "bugle" during the rut in adaptation to open environments. The male deer roars to keep his harem of females together. The females are initially attracted to those males that both roar most often and have the loudest roar call. Males also use the roar call when competing with other males for females during the rut, and along with other forms of posturing and antler fights, is a method used by the males to establish dominance. Roaring is most common during the early dawn and late evening, which is also when the crepuscular deer are most active in general." But as this video shows, European Red Deer are more than fine with roaring during the day. The entry also notes that elk and red deer are closely related.

I should also note that it appears that some European Red Deer are kept in ranches in parts of the USA.

Here is a video of a red stag roaring in a way that would sound quite similar to the "Bigfoot roar" if its voice was deeper and it did certain noises in a different order.

As for the second encounter, leprechans? We would have definitely grabbed his gold, indian rubbed his head, etc, etc.

Waitwaitwait...you've never heard of the "Leprechaun in Mobile, Alabama?" You'd better watch this (you can see the "leprechaun" shape in the bark at around 2:42 into the video).

 

[AtomicMysteryMonster]

Speakin of bears...

Here is a video of a black bear fighting a cougar. Notice how the bear in this video can walk on its hind legs. Also notice how it's slumped over at times, a classic detail in Bigfoot sighting reports...

 

[manofthesea]

Orangutan Makes Better Sense

You'd be surprised at the variety of sounds a bear can produce (black bears, in that website's case). You can also hear more variations on bear noises (but not apelike ones) in these videos. With that in mind, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a bear could produce a "simian" sounding noise.

But, hey, maybe it wasn't a bear making the noise. Perhaps it was a deer or an elk making the noise while a bear made the track/tore up the forest/scared the animals. As several of the elk sound recordings here show, elk can make some rather apelike noises. You can hear more elk noises here.

I've heard that a deer screaming sounds rather eerie as well. In addition to the sounds given there, I have found another website with several deer sound effects.

This video starts with what's supposedly the sound of a Bigfoot roaring (the comments claim it was lifted from "The Legend of Boggy Creek") and one of the commenters (panikdapig) notes that the beginning of the roar sounds like that of a European Red Deer.

This site says that "It is impossible to accurately describe the range of sounds that a male red deer can make--the animal can sound like a howling wolf, screaming howler monkey or even a fog horn. " According to an article cited on the Wikipedia entry on the subject, "Male European Red Deer have a distinctive "roar" during the rut, which is an adaptation to forested environments, as opposed to male Wapiti (or American Elk) which "bugle" during the rut in adaptation to open environments. The male deer roars to keep his harem of females together. The females are initially attracted to those males that both roar most often and have the loudest roar call. Males also use the roar call when competing with other males for females during the rut, and along with other forms of posturing and antler fights, is a method used by the males to establish dominance. Roaring is most common during the early dawn and late evening, which is also when the crepuscular deer are most active in general." But as this video shows, European Red Deer are more than fine with roaring during the day. The entry also notes that elk and red deer are closely related.

I should also note that it appears that some European Red Deer are kept in ranches in parts of the USA.

Here is a video of a red stag roaring in a way that would sound quite similar to the "Bigfoot roar" if its voice was deeper and it did certain noises in a different order.



Waitwaitwait...you've never heard of the "Leprechaun in Mobile, Alabama?" You'd better watch this (you can see the "leprechaun" shape in the bark at around 2:42 into the video).

Escaped orangutan makes much better sense. They make the loud howl/call.
They have the side toe. They 'traverse' through the trees also.

But, some researchers have proposed a pongid bigfoot. That fits also.

The type of behavior in the second encounter could be either, also.

Remember, I only found BFF in May. The encounters were in the 70's. I didn't even know that there were 'researchers' searching for bigfoot. Let alone research organizations.

 

[manofthesea]

Gotta Show Them the PGF

Judaculla, that was an excellently worded and concise e-mail. Proponents will have none of that reply, though. Have you already or are planning to post that at the BFF?

They (F&W) obviously haven't seen the PGF yet.