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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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I Ride BMW

How many Husqvarna swipes did it take?

I think you heard the call of the wild chainsaw being pursued by the wild Caterpillar, chasing the stoats and goats before them.

Husqvarna? C'mon, I ride a BMW enduro. A real bike. It was my first picture posted. Cryptid Hunter Vehicle.

Wrong part of the country. They practice rowing at Samish Lake.
 
Hopalongfoot

The PGF was made in the last twenty years? Or did you forget to read the post?

Take a deep breath. Exhale slowly. Now repeat:
PGF is real (please), PGF is real (please), PGF is real (please) until exhausted.
Then repeat.
 
We can play that game too !

Take a deep breath. Exhale slowly. Now repeat:
PGF is real (please), PGF is real (please), PGF is real (please) until exhausted.
Then repeat.

What I think LTC8K6 meant to say you is "Forest and wildlife report no indubitable sighting in 20 years and doubt due to population density that such animal could subsist without sighting", repeat again "Forest and wildlife report no indubitable sighting in 20 years and doubt due to population density that such animal could subsist without sighting" until exhausted.

Also repeat until exhausted : "the film pgf is real. The creature depicted inside the film is dubious and there are no evidence for its existence".
 
MOTS, let's attempt a coherent discussion on why you truly believe you've had encounters with bigfoot. Let's start with the chase story.

Why do you say you were chased?

Why did you attribute it to bigfoot?

Why didn't anybody else?
 
MOTS,

You must consider a few things before attempting to discuss something like your sighting, specially here. First of all, what are you attempting to achieve? What are your goals?

I hope its not to trying to convince us by presenting another tidbit of anedoctal data. By the time you've been around here, you probably noticed anedoctal data such as sighting reports is problematic. Just in case you have not, I suggest you to carefully read these links
http://skepdic.com/memory.html
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/parnell/h&l1.htm#_ednref9
http://faculty.washington.edu/eloftus/Articles/sciam.htm
http://forensic-evidence.com/site/MasterIndex.html
A search through the forums using keywords such as eyewitness reliability will certainly bring you a huge ammount of valuable information.

I also hope you are not looking for confirmation. Many people present a report (UFO, ghost, etc.) and say "EXPLAIN THAT, YOU SKEPTICS!" The problem is, most of the times there's no way one can truly "explain", based mostly on an account, what happened decades ago! "I don't know" is a simple and honest answer. And when faced with it, some people say "HAHA! SKEPTICS CAN'T EXPLAIN, SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN ALIEN SHIP/GHOST/ETC.!" However, "I don't know" is very different from "it was an alien ship".

People might present you explanations, possibilities, ideas, guesses, etc. Some will be plausible, while others will be far-fetched. In any of the above cases, if you already have your mind made up, the discussion is useless and the ultimate outcome will be you getting angry because people are not accepting your previously stabilished notion.

However, if you are looking for explanations other than "a bigfoot", you will find them. And some will be quite plausible, despite the fact that they will not involve a bigfoot. In the end, we will not be able to say "this is what really happened" due to the time span involved, the nature of memory and the lack of evidence. You may as well say "I still think it was a bigfoot". OK, its your right. But it does not mean it was. The same is valid for us, we can say "We don't think it was a bigfoot", but we can not actually prove it was not*.

However, when faced with alternatives, you must investigate them with impartiality, you must leave your personal feelings and beliefs behind. You must be aware of the possibility that you may not have seen or had a close encounter with a bigfoot and take it in to account. If you can not or are not willing to do so, then there's no point debating your experience here or anywhere else.

*I don't want to enter in to a long OT discussion, but in some cases, for all practical reasons, we can indeed rule out this sort of possibility and prove negatives. Open a new thread on it if you want a deeper discussion. In the meanwhile, consider this: How can you prove there is not a teapot orbiting the Sun beyond Mars? Or a black hole orbiting Earth?
 
Miracle on 34th St. (Bluff Creek Edition)

For every letter that we show, from an expert, saying 'bigfoot does not exist', they will show us a letter from an expert, saying 'in all likelyhood there is a large primate existing in our forests.' Now the question is, who should we believe? According to precedent, the US Postal Service delivered mail to Mr. Claus, therefore Santa Claus exists, so is the acknowledgment of the Federal government the final harbinger of doom for the bigfoot proponents?

Thank you for your email asking for information regarding "sasquatch". The publicity regarding the possible existence of an undiscovered, primate in the state of Washington has subsided somewhat over the past twenty years. To our knowledge, nothing significant has recently been reported.

While the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife does not have an official position on the existence of "sasquatch", it seems unlikely that such a creature could exist in this state without more frequent sightings or encounters with humans. This state has a very high density of humans and though extensive remote areas persist, it seems unlikely that a primate could exist in viable numbers and yet escape human detection.

Some day we might be surprised with an indisputable discovery, but at this point with all the publicity, and interest, and searching, nothing undeniable has surfaced. We appreciate your interest and questions and wish you luck in your pursuit of additional information. If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns feel free to contact the Wildlife Program at [removed phone number].

Sincerely,

Wildlife Program Customer Service
 
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Sure, the PGF is a real film. Who ever said it wasn't? The question has always been what is on the film. From the start, prominent scientists were doubtful about what it showed. Over the years, footers have forgotten the early reactions.

The Husqvarna was the chain saw, not any piddly little bike that bigfoot can throw 100 yards with you on it.
 
MOTS, let's attempt a coherent discussion on why you truly believe you've had encounters with bigfoot. Let's start with the chase story.

Why do you say you were chased?

Why did you attribute it to bigfoot?

Why didn't anybody else?

Because we got chased.

No other animal that we were aware of behaved like that.

My friend believed it was bigfoot. As for the adults and my brother, who can say? It's hard to convince anyone.
 
MOTS,

You must consider a few things before attempting to discuss something like your sighting, specially here. First of all, what are you attempting to achieve? What are your goals?

I hope its not to trying to convince us by presenting another tidbit of anedoctal data.

However, if you are looking for explanations other than "a bigfoot", you will find them. And some will be quite plausible, despite the fact that they will not involve a bigfoot. In the end, we will not be able to say "this is what really happened" due to the time span involved, the nature of memory and the lack of evidence. You may as well say "I still think it was a bigfoot". OK, its your right. But it does not mean it was. The same is valid for us, we can say "We don't think it was a bigfoot", but we can not actually prove it was not*.

However, when faced with alternatives, you must investigate them with impartiality, you must leave your personal feelings and beliefs behind. You must be aware of the possibility that you may not have seen or had a close encounter with a bigfoot and take it in to account. If you can not or are not willing to do so, then there's no point debating your experience here or anywhere else.

*I don't want to enter in to a long OT discussion, but in some cases, for all practical reasons, we can indeed rule out this sort of possibility and prove negatives. Open a new thread on it if you want a deeper discussion. In the meanwhile, consider this: How can you prove there is not a teapot orbiting the Sun beyond Mars? Or a black hole orbiting Earth?

I've received no alternatives that are viable alternatives. Besides bear, red deer, and lephrechans.

I equated the orangutan myself.
 
No S--- Sherlock

What I think LTC8K6 meant to say you is "Forest and wildlife report no indubitable sighting in 20 years and doubt due to population density that such animal could subsist without sighting", repeat again "Forest and wildlife report no indubitable sighting in 20 years and doubt due to population density that such animal could subsist without sighting" until exhausted.

Also repeat until exhausted : "the film pgf is real. The creature depicted inside the film is dubious and there are no evidence for its existence".

Hmmm...
 
MOTS said:
The howl/yell had a duration of about 10 seconds per burst, as loud a jet plane flying low overhead.

Yes, jets are very loud. You can hear them for miles.

MOTS said:
My friend believed it was bigfoot. As for the adults and my brother, who can say? It's hard to convince anyone.

What, did they think it was a jet that they heard? They must have heard it too right?
 
MOTS, I must ask again what are you attempting to achieve and what your goals when it comes to discussing your experience. Here's three options (please feel free to add extra ones and/or combine them):

Are you trying to convince us by presenting another tidbit of anedoctal data?

Are you seeking confirmation for your already stabilished notion that there was a bigfoot around?

Do you want to know what other people think about your experience?

Now, you wrote:
manofthesea said:
I've received no alternatives that are viable alternatives. Besides bear, red deer, and lephrechans.
Perhaps you could tell why you do not consider bear and deer/elk as viable alternatives for parts of your experience. Perhaps instead of trying to find a single source (bigfoot, bear) for your experience, you should consider that more than a single cause contributed for it.
 
Another possibility is that it was a person, and they were trying to scare you. I think that is most likely.
 
Ten second duration of the jet engine howl. What animal has lungs that can do that? Loud as a jet, and it lasts for ten seconds. Two distinct vocal factors.
 
Memories are subject to changes as time passes, you know...

Details may be changed or even added...
 
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