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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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AtomicMysteryMonster said:
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So Roger Patterson was having records pressed in order to sell them? I thought he was supposed to be struggling to get by? It sounds like either Patterson wasn't very good at prioritizing his spending or that he was able to get more money to fuel his love of Bigfoot when it suited him. Both of which can tie into the idea of him building (or commissioning the building of) a Bigfoot costume.
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Long's book recounts witnesses and principles, who bankrolled Patterson's various scams such as the "Abominable Snowman Club of America" ..
While he seems to have sent out some of the material the membership entitled you to, a lot of people never got anything..
Patterson never seemed to have anything that the various people he owed money to, could collect.. I think he even sold more than 100% of his rights to the film .. It was apparently his style of doing business..
 
How 'bout a Ring Wraith?

AtomicMysteryMonster said:
This sounds like the work of a bear, with the human-like footprints being the result of the bear overstepping on its own tracks. This excellent website discusses the matter in further detail.

On a similar, but not exactly related note, this website discusses how impressions that weren't made by humans can seem humalike. Obviously, the extinct animals that made the tracks described by MOTS couldn't have have been the culprit.

As for the second sighting, it sounds like he saw a tree knot. The description of the old, mossy tree sounds likely to have tree knots (and other features that could seem like something else due to parodelia. Also, tree knots can sometimes be interpreted as looking like humanoid faces, as you can see in these three pictures. The face being a tree knot would explain why the eyes moving while the rest of the face did nothing. Now, I know that many of you are asking how can a tree knot having moving "eyes?" It's actually pretty simple. If the holes forming the eyes are recessed enough, they can seem to be "moving" due to the viewer's perception and movements. This site touches on the same basic concept. The "blinking" could've been caused this, by your own mind, or by sunlight being blocked and unblocked by a moving branch (due to the wind or animals). I suspect that the "shifting body" could have a similar explanation. Come to think of it, the tree bark based "Leprechaun in Mobile, Alabama" was said to disappear and reappear depending on the lighting conditions...
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Diogenes said:
Long's book recounts witnesses and principles, who bankrolled Patterson's various scams such as the "Abominable Snowman Club of America" ..
While he seems to have sent out some of the material the membership entitled you to, a lot of people never got anything..
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Yeah, that sounds right.

I think he even sold more than 100% of his rights to the film .. It was apparently his style of doing business..
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Yep, he did exactly that; he even screwed Bob Gimlin out of his share. Some proponents cite this as proof it couldn't have been a hoax, since it'd be foolish to risk exposure by screwing over your partner. However, people who say that forget that it's possible that Roger Patterson could've had a condition that made him do that sort of thing compulsively, that he could've done it in a fit of anger, that Gimlin would have a hard time convincing people without any evidence, or that Patterson would be able to know if Gimlin was a pushover who wouldn't fight back over that sort of thing due to his years of knowing him. or maybe gimlin realized that admitting to being in on a hoax could've gotten him in deep trouble for his involvement in fraud?

They also forget how Gimlin had to be prodded into doing a lawsuit and sold his share of the rights for what would be peanuts compared to the royalties he could've gotten for it. As I've noted elsewhere, I've always found it interesting that Gimlin settled out of court (which means there are no public records)...
 
I've read that Roger was considered by many to be a con-man or a huckster.

The proper reaction for many at the time to the news that he'd filmed bigfoot was a derisive, "Yeah, right!"

He even tried to skip out on the camera rental and only paid up when he was forced to.

He wasn't poor, imo. He was a con-artist/small time crook imo.
 
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Guy in an Invisible Bigfoot Costume?

kitakaze said:
Now come on, everybody knows I'm Columbo, WP is Holmes, and Correa is Clouseau with a hint of Magnum thrown in.No, invisible bigfoot is not my conclusion. What did the bigfoot in that encounter look like, again?
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Are you saying that it was a guy in an invisible bigfoot costume? Wow. :jaw-dropp
 
Carp!

Why a guy?

Why not a woman?

Why assume all hoaxers are men?

I call prejudice!!!!!

So, you wanted Closeau-style investigation, eh?
 
kitakaze said:
No, I said over-active imagination. I also asked you what the bigfoot looked like. No answer. The 'man up' statement too was one I was hoping you might articulate a bit more.
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Over-active imagination:
The animals fleeing were real.
The howl was real.
The crashing through the forest was real.
The print we found the next day was real.
The trees that were damaged were real.

What it looked like:
Didn't stay long enough.

Man up:
Need to stay a little longer, take pictures, get hair samples, etc.
 
MOTS, the correct course of action when a footer gets near a bigfoot and is about to find real proof, is to abandon the area immediately and never go back. I have learned this from studying the behavior of footers and footer organizations over the years.
 
kitakaze said:
Compelling argument.

That's not exactly the kind of response that engenders support for your 'I truly believe it was bigfoot' slant. Care to detail what makes Atomic's suggestions lame?
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I felt the bear suggestion was lame. Bears don't let out that kind of simian yell.

As for the second encounter, leprechans? We would have definitely grabbed his gold, indian rubbed his head, etc, etc.

In other words, lame.
 
Another Cool Story (Related)

LTC8K6 said:
MOTS, the correct course of action when a footer gets near a bigfoot and is about to find real proof, is to abandon the area immediately and never go back. I have learned this from studying the behavior of footers and footer organizations over the years.
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We went back the next day with my friend's father, uncle, my father, and my brother. We found one clear print and a path through the forest. We even took an axe (to practice), but his uncle used it to compare with the broken trees. We found it took an adult two full swings to make a relative cut.

Awhile later, my dad took me to see one of his friends. An ex-sheriff from St. Louis, that owned a dairy farm near Bellingham. Told him all the details. He told me something cool, they unloaded everything on Bonnie and Clyde's car.
 
manofthesea said:
Over-active imagination:
The animals fleeing were real.
The howl was real.
The crashing through the forest was real.
The print we found the next day was real.
The trees that were damaged were real.
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You forgot to add an "it's true!" at the end to make it a clincher.

Over-active imagination is real.
False memories are real.
Inventing stories for attention is real.
Compulsive lying is real.
Self delusion is real.

These things beyond any doubt are known to often occur. Large animals prone to explosive, destructive outbursts have a habit of getting our less favourable attentions. The kind that invariably produce dead bodies. Why should we consider bigfoot laying waste over MOTS laying an egg? Please spare a response that equates to "Because I said so."
What it looked like:
Didn't stay long enough.
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As in "I didn't stay long enough and never saw what I supposed to be a bigfoot." or "I saw it but didn't stay long enough to get a good look."?
Man up:
Need to stay a little longer, take pictures, get hair samples, etc.
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Yeah, see the problem there is we have no shortage of people who've claimed to stay longer, get pictures, hair samples, etc. Problem is it keeps turning out to be BS.
 
Your Turn

kitakaze said:
You forgot to add an "it's true!" at the end to make it a clincher.

Over-active imagination is real.
False memories are real.
Inventing stories for attention is real.
Compulsive lying is real.
Self delusion is real.

These things beyond any doubt are known to often occur. Large animals prone to explosive, destructive outbursts have a habit of getting our less favourable attentions. The kind that invariably produce dead bodies. Why should we consider bigfoot laying waste over MOTS laying an egg? Please spare a response that equates to "Because I said so."As in "I didn't stay long enough and never saw what I supposed to be a bigfoot." or "I saw it but didn't stay long enough to get a good look."?Yeah, see the problem there is we have no shortage of people who've claimed to stay longer, get pictures, hair samples, etc. Problem is it keeps turning out to be BS.
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manofthesea said:
I felt the bear suggestion was lame. Bears don't let out that kind of simian yell.
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At what point of which ten second burst as loud as a jet plane low overhead did the 10-15 second wave of varied wildlife come busting out and also exactly at which point did you kids turn and bolt?

Why was an axe taken?

Why and how did your friend's uncle get so upset when arriving at the cabin under construction?

As for the second encounter, leprechans? We would have definitely grabbed his gold, indian rubbed his head, etc, etc.

In other words, lame.
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You mean the one where your father and brother were very skeptical of the face you thought was there and after a stick was thrown, nothing unpleasant happened and you promptly resumed the fishing trip? Lucky for you that one was so chill. You'd think a kid who's been chased by a train called bigfoot wouldn't be so quick to chuck sticks at them.

You tell fun stories, MOTS.
 
MOTS
is it possible that the howling you heard was a 'Bigfooter' out scoping his favorite area? The deer and assorted animals were running from him, and since you weren't howling, they thought you less of a threat and went scooting by?

Also, I didn't see what time of year was the howling/animals freaking out?
 
We went back the next day with my friend's father, uncle, my father, and my brother. We found one clear print and a path through the forest. We even took an axe (to practice), but his uncle used it to compare with the broken trees. We found it took an adult two full swings to make a relative cut.
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Real footers never go back and investigate. You are only hurting your credibility.

How did you find foot tracks among all of the stampeding stoat and goat footprints, etc.? How did you determine where the foot was to look for it's tracks?

All that effort from a huge biped and you got one clear track? In area with a road and a clearing from a bulldozer?

Earlier you said this:

The next day we all went up the road to look, we found a huge footprint at the edge of the road where the runoff is. There was an obvious path that he tore through, but footprints were not obvious. No one else really wanted to look that deeply into the forest. It was no bear or cougar. The footprint looked like a giant man foot, but with no real definition.
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