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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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manofthesea said:
I'll spring for a new one.
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First post from MOTS' harrowing 'Wanna hear a scary story?' thread at BFF:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=19299

I believe it was the summer of 1975, my friend (hockey teammate) had an uncle who owned a cabin on the hill above Samish Lake, whe the UW practiced rowing. Our families were visiting, and one morning we decided to go hiking real early. We found a stream and a waterfall, crossing near the top of it. After a while we headed for the dirt road that went up the hill. After we found it, we decided to follow it to the top and see the view. At the top of the hill, we found a new cabin being built, with a bulldozer parked next to it. We stood there looking at this spectacle in the middle of the forest when we witnessed All off the wildlife fleeing past us, crossing the road back into the forest. Next we heard an extremely loud howl/yell that seemed directed at us, but from down the valley by the freeway, I-5, or maybe further. Then a short time later, we heard something tearing through the forest, the sounds of trees snapping getting louder and closer extremely fast. We blazed it down the road, crashing through a huge dead stump, somewhat hurting ourselves. We ran far and fast, getting split where the road turned left. I ran through the forest at full speed, coming to a cliff, which I jumped. It turned out to be his uncle's driveway, with everybody outside, hearing our yells. My friend came around the corner shortly, having continued on the road. The next day we all went up the road to look, we found a huge footprint at the edge of the road where the runoff is. There was an obvious path that he tore through, but footprints were not obvious. No one else really wanted to look that deeply into the forest. It was no bear or cougar. The footprint looked like a giant man foot, but with no real definition.
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MOTS, have you considered the possibility that you may have been chased by an invisible bigfoot?
 
William Parcher said:
LOL. MOTS is a BSer. Big surprise.
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Ah, unpersuaded I see. Find it to be what would be referred to as a serious 'jnugle' in BFF terminology. Well, maybe you need something a little more comvincing. Voila!:

I have another story about encountering sasquatch. It was after we had been chased, but it was the same year. My dad was taking my brother and me fishing on some river near Ferndale/Bellingham. On the trail to the fishing site I looked upon an old tree, (we were in a pretty dark forest) and thought that I saw a face that was blended with the tree. It was staring right at us. It was an old tree with lots of moss, fallen trees all around. Anyway it seemed to be just looking at us. It was a big face, about a foot in height and kinda wide. The eyes were what caught my attention. The body could not be made out. We were about 30 feet away, when I stopped everybody and pointed it out. It took a while for them to see it. The eyes would disappear and reappear, as if blinking or closing his eyes. The face never moved. They (father and brother) were at the cabin the first time I encountered one, but they both kept acting like skeptics (having me to take the heat). They both acted very skeptical about the face, but seemed as mesmerised as me. Well, finally I decided to throw a stick at it. You could detect a shift in a big, wide body and the eyes disappeared. At that time the fun ended, we went to the fishing spot quickly and didn't stay very long. We were all good fishermen. And there were trout in the water.
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Squirrels were running for their lives because they knew that climbing a tree would be futile. Skunks won't spray an animal that smells worse than they do. LOL.
 
Been There, Done That

kitakaze said:
First post from MOTS' harrowing 'Wanna hear a scary story?' thread at BFF:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=19299

MOTS, have you considered the possibility that you may have been chased by an invisible bigfoot?
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No. Weren't you the Sherlock Holmes (Clouseau) of bigfootery? Is that your conclusion?
It wasn't a guy (clown) with a stick. Read that story good, you'll probably learn more about bigfoot in those few paragraphs than in all your years having flame battles on the net.

ETA: It does bring to mind an article in Omni magazine (quite a few years back) about the art of camouflage.

The only thing keeping them invisible is our inability to 'man up'.
 
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William Parcher said:
Squirrels were running for their lives because they knew that climbing a tree would be futile. Skunks won't spray an animal that smells worse than they do. LOL.
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IN fairness to MOTS, although I doubt his story in many ways, he does not appear to have specified what wildlife was running away; skunks will spray if they can, but then they'll run like everyone else, and it wouldn't be the first time a squirrel did something stupid anyway.
 
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bruto said:
IN fairness to MOTS, although I doubt his story in many ways, he does not appear to have specified what wildlife was running away; skunks will spray if they can, but then they'll run like everyone else, and it wouldn't be the first time a squirrel did something stupid anyway.
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I specified very clearly.
 
bruto said:
IN fairness to MOTS, although I doubt his story in many ways, he does not appear to have specified what wildlife was running away; skunks will spray if they can, but then they'll run like everyone else, and it wouldn't be the first time a squirrel did something stupid anyway.
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bruto, you brute! You didn't check my link, did you? I'm hurt. And it was only like two pages. Meh, whaddya gonna do?

Post #3 of the harrowing 'Do you wanna hear a scary story' thread:

We were told by his uncle that he was the only one on this hill, but they did the work from the other side, the dirt road leading down to a small gas stop town, off of I-5. The hill is directly north of the lake. The types of animals that we noticed were deer, rabbit, skunk, squirrel, and a fox or two.
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Some other info from #9:

In one sudden rush of wildlife, in our immediate vicinity, at least 20-30 animals went by in about a 10-15 second span. The howl/yell had a duration of about 10 seconds per burst, as loud a jet plane flying low overhead.
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Anybody ever watch The Smurfs?

ETA: MOTS beat me to it.
 
manofthesea said:
No. Weren't you the Sherlock Holmes (Clouseau) of bigfootery?
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Now come on, everybody knows I'm Columbo, WP is Holmes, and Correa is Clouseau with a hint of Magnum thrown in.
Is that your conclusion?
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No, invisible bigfoot is not my conclusion. What did the bigfoot in that encounter look like, again? Regardless, over-active imagination is my conclusion.
Read that story good, you'll probably learn more about bigfoot in those few paragraphs than in all your years having flame battles on the net.
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What exactly would I learn? Bigfoot is prone to explosive rage? Yeah, that could be a problem.
The only thing keeping them invisible is our inability to 'man up'.
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Funny, I thought it was the not existing thing. Do you mean to tell me that lots of people don't go looking for bigfoot? You wouldn't happen to have an extra $300 kicking around, would you?
 
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Mo Money, Mo Problems

kitakaze said:
Regardless, over-active imagination is my conclusion.What exactly would I learn. Bigfoot is prone to explosive rage? Yeah, that could be a problem.
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Very good, at least you learned something. I did leave something out of my whole encounter experience. When I was younger, whenever I came across a suspected beaver dam, I would kinda dismantle it. Give those industrious little guys something to do. That, combined with my waterfall escapade, and the tree topping incident (and others) could have been the trigger for his rage.

ETA: got a little luncheon to go to, I'll be back later.
 
manofthesea said:
When I was younger, whenever I came across a suspected beaver dam, I would kinda dismantle it. Give those industrious little guys something to do.
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You should get in contact with Luminous AKA DTK/Pastor Kerry Anderholm. Talk shop, exchange techniques.
That, combined with my waterfall escapade, and the tree topping incident (and others) could have been the trigger for his rage.
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Have you seen Correa's list of BF rage targets in the invisible BF thread? Imagine Big Stink having a hissy-fit during some military excercises... WAIT! Military? What was I thinking? I just can't seem to think of any other scenario where a bigfoot having a big fit would get a bigfoot dead. Tractor fight? Wrong end of chainsaw? I dunno.
 
kitakaze said:
bruto, you brute! You didn't check my link, did you? I'm hurt. And it was only like two pages. Meh, whaddya gonna do?

Post #3 of the harrowing 'Do you wanna hear a scary story' thread:

Some other info from #9:

Anybody ever watch The Smurfs?

ETA: MOTS beat me to it.
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Oh damn, you're right, I didn't read the original. I'm not gonna either. It's much easier just to withdraw my "in fairness" remark and let MOTS flounder. :D
 
kitakaze said:
First post from MOTS' harrowing 'Wanna hear a scary story?' thread at BFF: "There was an obvious path that he tore through, but footprints were not obvious...The footprint looked like a giant man foot, but with no real definition."
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This sounds like the work of a bear, with the human-like footprints being the result of the bear overstepping on its own tracks. This excellent website discusses the matter in further detail.

On a similar, but not exactly related note, this website discusses how impressions that weren't made by humans can seem humalike. Obviously, the extinct animals that made the tracks described by MOTS couldn't have have been the culprit.

As for the second sighting, it sounds like he saw a tree knot. The description of the old, mossy tree sounds likely to have tree knots (and other features that could seem like something else due to parodelia. Also, tree knots can sometimes be interpreted as looking like humanoid faces, as you can see in these three pictures. The face being a tree knot would explain why the eyes moving while the rest of the face did nothing. Now, I know that many of you are asking how can a tree knot having moving "eyes?" It's actually pretty simple. If the holes forming the eyes are recessed enough, they can seem to be "moving" due to the viewer's perception and movements. This site touches on the same basic concept. The "blinking" could've been caused this, by your own mind, or by sunlight being blocked and unblocked by a moving branch (due to the wind or animals). I suspect that the "shifting body" could have a similar explanation. Come to think of it, the tree bark based "Leprechaun in Mobile, Alabama" was said to disappear and reappear depending on the lighting conditions...
 
In his 1970 book "Strange Creatures from Time and Space," John Keel notes several interesting things regarding Roger Patterson:

"Still another researcher, Roger Patterson of Yakima, Washington, has built up an enormous file of little-known sightings and has aquired a collection of plaster casts of "Big Foot" footprints and other kinds of tangible evidence, including photographs." (81)

"Up in Yakima, Washington, the Abominable Snowman Club of America thrives, selling phonograph records of eyewitness testimony and offering an ornate membership certificate to those who wish to prove their devotion to the subject." (85-86, he gives the mailing address for the club later in the book. Should I post it here as well?)

So Roger Patterson was having records pressed in order to sell them? I thought he was supposed to be struggling to get by? It sounds like either Patterson wasn't very good at prioritizing his spending or that he was able to get more money to fuel his love of Bigfoot when it suited him. Both of which can tie into the idea of him building (or commissioning the building of) a Bigfoot costume.

Bolding by me:

"The motion picture is another story. It created quite a sensation in 1968 and has been carefully studied by a variety of scientists and government officials. Some believe it to be absolutely authentic. Others are bewildered and dubious. We have it on good authority that the man who took it has not made a nickel on it. He has, in fact, been denounced as a hoaxer in some Type B circles. If the film had been taken by a vacationing school teacher, a minister, or even a teen-aged hunter, it might have somewhat more impact. Unfortuneately, it was taken by one of America's leading monster hunters and ABSM authorities, Mr. Roger Patterson." (87)

"Mr. Patterson was first attracted to this subject in 1959 when he read an article by Ivan T. Sanderson. He began making feild investigations in his home state of Washington and interviewing witnessess who had claimed to have glimpsed old "Big Foot." In his treks about the state he discovered a number of the classic foot tracks and dutifully made plaster casts of them. He established the Abominable Snowmen Club of America in the earely 1960s, and spent all his spare time and money traveling and investigating new cases." (87)

Here's a bonus, non-Patterson related quote "The story is so incredible it raises an element of doubt. But, then, our years of experience in this feild have taught us that the more bizarre a story is, the more likely it is to be true. Liars who want to be taken seriously don't try to "sell" absurdities." (85)

If anyone wants me to, I can give Keel's account of what happened when the P/G footage was taken. I should also note that on page 65, Keel touches on the whole "Yeti have backwards feet" thing that was noted here awhile back.
 
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