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[Moderated]Pentagon Struck By Tomahawk Missile 'AND' A PLANE

Terral: EXPLAIN why there wasn't a SECOND impact reported?

Let me guess: Government coverup? They got to all the witnesses? The witnesses were in on it? PLEASE EXPLAIN why there was never a report of a second impact?
 
Hi Nim:

Thank you for writing.




Yes! You win the award for using 14 words to convey an opinion apart from supporting anything with credible evidence. Just show us your pictures of Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE and you win the prize. :0) GL, because none exist anywhere. A quick look up the thread show you guys chatting and all the pictures are posted by me. Here is a nice Page 1 Picture taken after the attacks and before the E-Ring wall collapsed:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/pentfacadebig.jpg

Someone please point to your 100-Ton Jetliner or even a piece of paper on the lawn. Show us one of these ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/wtcnorthhole.jpg ) entry holes where the Jetliner crashed through.

GL,

Terral

OK, ya'll read it here, I win.

Just show us your pictures of Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE

See picture above that you posted.



You can just send my prize to Bohemian Grove. I'll pick it up the next time I'm........I mean.....well:eek:.....when I'm there INVESTIGATING, yeah that's the ticket.
 
The math students here know all points on a straight horizontal line have the ‘same’ X value, while all points on the same vertical line have the same Y value.
Didn't you get this the wrong way round? The rest makes perfect sense.
 
OK, ya'll read it here, I win.

You can just send my prize to Bohemian Grove. I'll pick it up the next time I'm........I mean.....well:eek:.....when I'm there INVESTIGATING, yeah that's the ticket.

Yeah, but you win a T-Shirt that says "I BESTED A 9/11 TRUTHER AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY '9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB' T-SHIRT" and DVD of Loose Change - The Original Cut.
 
I'm still trying to understand the "why" of it. It is like claiming that someone was stabbed 7 times with an icepick, and then 30 minutes later the killer came back and shot the person 7 times, hitting an icepick wound each time, to "cover up" the stabbing.

The whole thing is completely deranged.
 
I seen a claim by Terral from elsewhere that the witness' did not see the Tomahawk because it was supersonic but in fact the Tomahawk has a top speed approx the same as the jetliner and is subsonic???

I missed that. Yes, I believe you're correct; someone with actual military experience please either confirm or correct me, but: TLAMs are subsonic (http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2200&tid=1300&ct=2).

A new supersonic cruise missile is proposed, but does not yet exist in the US inventory: (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/jsscm.htm).

India, in a partnership with Russia, has developed the first supersonic cuirse missile: (http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/09/navy_brahmos_070906/)

... but again, that's a foreign weapon, not one in the US inventory, and certainly not a Tomahawk.
 
Do you have any idea how retarded this theory sounds? Imagine the meeting between government officials about this plan. It doesn't even deserve to be addressed.

Government: "Let's hijack a commercial plane and crash it into the Pentagon."

Other Government people: "No, no. That wouldn't make sense. How about, we hijacked a commercial airliner, land it secretly on a secret base, THEN fire a cruise missile at the Pentagon, THEN after that we crash an A-3 Skywarrior into the building!"

Government: "Great idea! But we'll need to plant bodies and DNA of the passengers and hijackers, personal effects, light poles, eyewitnesses who say they saw a large American Airlines airliner, airliner debris matching AA, landing gear, engine debris, etc..."

Other Government People: "That shouldn't be too hard."
 
Do you have any idea how retarded this theory sounds? Imagine the meeting between government officials about this plan. It doesn't even deserve to be addressed.

Government: "Let's hijack a commercial plane and crash it into the Pentagon."

Other Government people: "No, no. That wouldn't make sense. How about, we hijacked a commercial airliner, land it secretly on a secret base, THEN fire a cruise missile at the Pentagon, THEN after that we crash an A-3 Skywarrior into the building!"

Government: "Great idea! But we'll need to plant bodies and DNA of the passengers and hijackers, personal effects, light poles, eyewitnesses who say they saw a large American Airlines airliner, airliner debris matching AA, landing gear, engine debris, etc..."

Other Government People: "That shouldn't be too hard."
I was in that meeting. I tried to tell them to just crash the plane into the Pentagon, but they looked at me like I had three heads or something...
 
Do you have any idea how retarded this theory sounds? Imagine the meeting between government officials about this plan. It doesn't even deserve to be addressed.

Government: "Let's hijack a commercial plane and crash it into the Pentagon."

Other Government people: "No, no. That wouldn't make sense. How about, we hijacked a commercial airliner, land it secretly on a secret base, THEN fire a cruise missile at the Pentagon, THEN after that we crash an A-3 Skywarrior into the building!"

Government: "Great idea! But we'll need to plant bodies and DNA of the passengers and hijackers, personal effects, light poles, eyewitnesses who say they saw a large American Airlines airliner, airliner debris matching AA, landing gear, engine debris, etc..."

Other Government People: "That shouldn't be too hard."

I'm gonna steal that. :D
 
Do you have any idea how retarded this theory sounds? Imagine the meeting between government officials about this plan. It doesn't even deserve to be addressed.

Government: "Let's hijack a commercial plane and crash it into the Pentagon."

Other Government people: "No, no. That wouldn't make sense. How about, we hijacked a commercial airliner, land it secretly on a secret base, THEN fire a cruise missile at the Pentagon, THEN after that we crash an A-3 Skywarrior into the building!"

Government: "Great idea! But we'll need to plant bodies and DNA of the passengers and hijackers, personal effects, light poles, eyewitnesses who say they saw a large American Airlines airliner, airliner debris matching AA, landing gear, engine debris, etc..."

Other Government People: "That shouldn't be too hard."

And no-one ever has remorse after the fact that they were responsible for the killing of a couple thousand people.

With all of this grand planning, you'd think that someone would come forward. No wait, they were all silenced/killed/paid off. But they can't keep the twoofers down!
 
This photo shows the area in front of Column Lines 5 – 8 and our vehicles have switched colors. :0) ( more on that here: http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagonpictures.html ) We have two sets of Pentagon photographs with changing vehicles clearly indicating a high percentage of these pictures have been doctored to hide plane wreckage from the second attack at 9:37 AM.

The photo analysis displayed in the OP is laughable, quite frankly.

The discussion of the cars totally ignores perspective differences, anyone can see there is no discrepancy in the placements. And the SUV started off dark and became white because it was sprayed with foam which also covers the Pentagon, the Nissan started off white and became dark because it was on fire, and thus burned.
 
Do you have any idea how retarded this theory sounds? Imagine the meeting between government officials about this plan. It doesn't even deserve to be addressed.

Government: "Let's hijack a commercial plane and crash it into the Pentagon."

Other Government people: "No, no. That wouldn't make sense. How about, we hijacked a commercial airliner, land it secretly on a secret base, THEN fire a cruise missile at the Pentagon, THEN after that we crash an A-3 Skywarrior into the building!"

Government: "Great idea! But we'll need to plant bodies and DNA of the passengers and hijackers, personal effects, light poles, eyewitnesses who say they saw a large American Airlines airliner, airliner debris matching AA, landing gear, engine debris, etc..."

Other Government People: "That shouldn't be too hard."

:D

It's funny when you take a step back like that and see the reasoning that would have to be behind such a conspiracy.

Um... and the evidence doesn't match the theory, but that's beside the point. :)

I've heard that smoking certain substances can make you very paranoid. I think that some people strongly believe that the government is out to get them and refuse to let go of that belief. Because of this, they will twist, avoid, contort, and do anything their brain can think of to maintain that belief at any and all costs. I'm beginning to think that the OP author has such a level of belief and therefore it is a complete waste of time arguing with him/her.
 
This thesis is obviously the work of someone who knows bugger-all about the construction of aircraft or the effects of explosives.

First of all, the A-3 has top-mounted wings.. The wings have a NEGATIVE dihedral.

The wing imprints on the facade have a positive dihedral, and were obviously made by a plane with low-mounted wings.

No one saw a plane with high-mouinted wings. Such would have looked unlike any airliner they had ever seen.

There is no damage observed which in any way whatsoever resembles high explosive blast damage inside the building.

Which is all to say that you have another handful of diddly squat.

These arguments you present remind me too much of Killtown's drooling rants to be entirely a coincidence.
 
- Commercial airliner observed to impact Pentagon by about a hundred witnesses.
- Remains of 757 and passengers found at site (I know FFs who were there that day).
- No evidence of cruise missile or A-3.
- No evidence of AA77 and passengers winding up anywhere else.
- The sheer absurdity of the idea that the evil gubmint conspiracy would try to fake an airliner impact in broad daylight in a highly-visible and well-traveled location with anything other than an airliner. Especially two attacks spaced by several minutes, the second one coming after the first one had already drawn massive attention to the Pentagon!

What a bizarre claim.

The Foam 161 crewmen ("Mark Skipper and Alan Wallace"*) were reported to be in a state of "shock" after the 9:37 AM A-3 Skywarrior attack, so I am not even sure if they realize today the reason they were standing outside the truck in time to be almost killed. By the time they recovered, the landscape was filled with engines and firemen; so they began assisting people evacuating the area.

Actually, Foam 161's crew reacted very quickly after the impact; they had seen the 757 inbound, ran for cover, than came back after the initial fireball. Wallace felt he started the unit within about 20 seconds after the impact, although it was probably a bit longer than that. The crew began rescue operations with other Pentagon workers almost immediately, well before other fire units arrived.
 
C'mon guys - it's obvious this terral guy isn't serious.
 
Tasteless, stupid comment follows: I'm sorry, I can't help it.

When I started reading this thread I had an image of a plane, 2 missiles, and then a kitchen sink hitting the building. And first responders grumbling to themselves, "What the heck next? Flying monkeys?"

I hate myself for thinking this.
 
The Pentagon Was Struck Twice At 9:32 AM And 9:37 AM

Hi Joe:

Joe (Post 27) >> Can I play too?


Sure. :0)

Joe >> Why is there not a single phone report of the "missile strike" documented in the five minute "window" before the plane struck?


The Official Timelines for this Pentagon case continue to be in a state of disarray even six years after 9/11. The Official Government/CNN Timeline ( http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/chronology.attack/ ) says Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:43 AM, while the Arlington County After-Action Report (link in OP) shows a 9:38 AM time. The DoD had a vested interest in making the ‘initial’ attack appear as ‘late’ in the morning as possible AND the E-Ring Roof Collapse as ‘early’ as possible to make things appear like ‘both’ took place at nearly the same time, so their “Flight 77 Hit The Pentagon” Cover Story would have a much higher degree of ‘believability.’ We ‘do’ have documented evidence that the ‘initial’ attack on the Pentagon took place at exactly 9:31:39, because the Pentagon had battery operated Navy clocks very near this location that stopped suddenly from the electromagnetic pulse emitted by the missile at the moment of detonation.

http://www.news.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=2480

Mine is a Navy family where my brother is out of service and my nephew is now serving and we all know the Navy is famous for keeping perfect time. :0) “Barbara Honegger, M.S. is Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School (1995−present), the Navy’s advanced science, technology and national security affairs university.” Her work details the events surrounding the 9:31:39 AM initial attack here [my emphasis and notes]:

http://blog.lege.net/content/Seven_Hours_in_September.pdf

Barbara Honegger >> The San Francisco Chronicle commemorated the 100th anniversary of The Great Earthquake of 1906 with a series of front−page articles headed by a single icon−a charred clock frozen at 5:12 am, the exact moment "The Big One" hit. A century after that devastating event, the stopped clock serves as both the ultimate evidence and the symbol that "captures it all."

Again, almost 100 years later, clocks frozen in time at the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001 both "capture it all" and are the ultimate evidence that shatters the "Official Lie" of what happened that terrible morning.

The Pentagon was first attacked at 9:32 am, much earlier than the 9/11 Commission and official cover story claim. (In this summary of evidence, the more precise time of 9:31:40 am is "rounded up" for ease of reference.)

The Pentagon and mainstream media first reported 9:43 as the time of alleged Flight 77 impact (some reports, presumably taken from official sources, were as late as 9:48 and 9:47). Over time, the time given by officials for the claimed outside impact on the building has been moved earlier and earlier, down to 9:37 (as of the time of this writing), but has never come close to the actual time of the first violent event at the Pentagon−9:32. Clearly, if the official story that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9:37 were true, Flight 77 could not have been the source of massive damage to the west side of the building a minimum of five minutes earlier at 9:32.

Converging Lines of Proof of a 9:32 Violent Event at the Pentagon on September 11, well before the Official Story says anything hit the building:

Multiple standard−issue, battery−operated wall clocks on the walls of the area of the Pentagon attacked on 9/11−including one in the heliport just outside the west face−were stopped between 9:31 and 9:32−1/2 by a violent event, almost certainly a bomb or bombs inside the building and/or in a truck or construction trailer parked right outside the west face [ she did not realize this was a missile strike = Terral]. The first Associated Press report, in fact, stated that the Pentagon had been damaged by a "booby trapped truck." The Navy posted the stopped heliport clock on an official website and another of the stopped clocks is in the 9/11 display at the Smithsonian Institution.2 These are just some of the west section Pentagon clocks that stopped between 9:31 and 9:32−1/2 on September 11.


The overwhelming evidence says the ‘initial’ Pentagon attack took place just seconds before 9:32 AM on 9/11, because Navy clocks ‘do not lie’ like the sons of men. We have irrefutable evidence from eyewitness testimony that this attack definitely took place ‘before’ the 9:37 AM ‘second’ attack in the story of Lloyd the Taxi Driver. Follow along carefully, because many run right by and miss this. My [emphasis and notes] and remember this story starts just before 9:32 AM:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78448

Lloyd, 69, began the morning of September 11, 2001 like most days, driving his taxi cab. A passenger in Rosslyn told him what had happened at the World Trade Center so he turned on his radio and headed home. As he approached the Navy Annex, he saw a plane flying dangerously low overhead [9:32 AM Decoy Flyover Plane]. Simultaneously, the plane struck a light pole [Lloyd thought the plane hit the pole] and the pole came crashing down onto the front of Lloyd’s taxi cab, destroying the windshield in front of his eyes. Glass was everywhere as he tried to stop the car [minutes are passing]. Another car stopped and the driver helped move the heavy pole off Lloyd’s car [more minutes have passed]. As they were moving the pole, they heard a BIG BOOM [9:37 AM Plane attack] and turned to see an explosion. The light pole fell on Lloyd and he struggled to get up from underneath, wondering what had happened.


Without currently realizing it, we are looking at the ‘initial’ 9:32 AM missile strike that stopped the clock AND the 9:37 AM A-3 Skywarrior attack that knocked Lloyd down from the massive explosion. Right away you are thinking my story sounds fabricated. Right? :0) Barbara Honegger took the time to track Lloyd down and gather his testimony to add that information what she already knew about the 9:31:39 attack, she writes [my notes: you know the drill]

http://blog.lege.net/content/Seven_Hours_in_September.pdf

Barbara Honegger >> I interviewed the famous "lone taxi driver" whose cab is the only car visible still parked on I−395 [Route 27 = she is mistaken] above the Pentagon lawn looking down at the west face after the other cars have left the freeway. This taxi can be seen in overhead photos [ http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/pole1b.jpg ] taken on the morning of 9/11 and viewable on the Internet. The driver said his was the last car allowed onto that section of I−395 [Route 27] before police put up a barricade and that he decided not to immediately leave the scene like the others "because I realized this was history and I wanted to see for myself." He stated that he saw no evidence of a plane having impacted the building nor any visible plane pieces on the lawn AT THE TIME he arrived, which was after the first violent event [9:32 AM = pole struck his vehicle] IN the building [she still does not know this was a missile strike], as black smoke was streaming up and to the right from INSIDE-THE-BUILDING fires. The taxi cab driver drew a diagram of what he saw that morning while overlooking the Pentagon’s west face from I−395.


You need to realize Barbara is interviewing Lloyd to establish facts related to the “9:31:39 AM” attack of her summary article. She wanted Lloyd to verify for her that the ‘first attack’ revealed only ‘inside-the-building’ fires from the initial 9:32 AM strike AND that no plane debris was around anywhere. I have prepared an exercise to assist you in seeing the 911Truth of this entire sequence of events, but you must follow the instructions and cast away everything you think you know about these Pentagon attacks, because I could not believe any of this stuff when I first saw these things either. The first step is to review all the frames from the original Security Videos side by side here: http://www.911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/videos/dodvideos.html

Pull up the second window and make this window smaller so you can see my commentary and the images, as we go through and look at each set of frames one by one. We are looking at Camera 1 on the left and Camera 2 on the right positioned farther away from the E-Ring wall. To gather and idea of the speed and quality of the camera and film, realize the object is over 500 feet away. :0) The DoD has plenty of our money and obviously invested in the good stuff. Frame -1 shows Camera 1 empty of any action and obviously we have no sign of fire or smoke, while Camera 2 has picked up the nose section of our missile on final approach to strike the E-Ring wall at Column Line 14 just 5 feet above the ground. Frame 0 Shows the 9:31:39 explosion creating the electromagnetic pulse that stopped all the clocks (and wristwatches) within a certain radius of impact. Note the white features of the explosion and the very noticeable white vapor trail common to missiles flying at low altitudes near sea level. Frame 2 shows the explosion progressing and already being carried by the wind overtop the E-Ring wall. Frame 3 shows the progression of the fire/smoke plume gathering eastbound momentum over the Pentagon roof. Frame 4 is where accurate interpretation of the evidence becomes more difficult, because inadvertent light rays are being reflected into the wide-angle lens. If you look closely at the gutter line near the right-center of Camera 2 (right), you will see a red flare of light that is obviously not ‘fire.’ These are mere reflections from the enlarging fire/smoke plume. Frame 5 and the left side of the Camera 1 image shows a nice red flare that you might think is fire, but remember we are more that 500 feet from the point of impact. You can see the same red light refraction evidence along the gutter line of Frame 2 with smaller flares caught by the lens. Our fire/smoke plume has become more smoke than fire in Frame 5 and Frame 6 where the flare interference has been reduced to practically nothing. Frame 7 shows our now smoke/fire plume is definitely more smoke than fire with only a very small sign of flare-action taking place in Camera 2 along the gutter line. Frame 8 is the final frame revealing any fire at all with the same small flare action redness in the roadway of Camera 2. Frame 9 and Camera 1 shows interfering sunlight rays distorting our view, while Camera 2 shows the smoke plume rising about the E-Ring wall.

This marks the point in our exercise where we connect Lloyd’s events to these images. Remember Lloyd saw the PLANE that ‘he thought’ knocked the light pole down on his taxi, but in reality he saw a Decoy Flyover Plane running diversion for this missile strike. This is the reason we have so many conflicting stories among the Pentagon witness, because ‘some’ saw this 9:32 AM Decoy Plane and ‘others’ saw the 9:37 AM A-3 Skywarrior actually hit the Pentagon. However, ‘both’ attacks created damage with fire and smoke. Therefore, by the time frame 9 is taken by this video camera, Lloyd stopped the vehicle and is sitting in his taxi in complete shock as to what just happened. The fire in this first attack is GONE in just about 8 seconds and all eyes were on the ‘Decoy Flyover’ Plane, so MANY never even saw the fire/smoke plume passing over the Pentagon wall. Remember the hand is quicker than the eye and the DoD made every attempt to fool everyone with this ‘two attack’ strategy. However, they did not realize the missile would create such a powerful bow shockwave that knocked these 5 light poles down revealing their ‘south’ flight path ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/020.jpg ). The bow shockwave from this missile needed extend only 25 feet off the nose to create equal force to a VW Rabbit going just 20 miles per hour ( http://www.pentagonresearch.com/lamps.html ). Many people simply do not realize these poles lay almost in a straight line and point directly into the E-Ring entry hole AND directly through the C-Ring exit hole:

45DegreeTrajectory.jpg


The Tomahawk Missile detonated just inside the E-Ring wall at 9:31:39 AM, which caused the warhead in the ‘central’ section to detonate and propel the still-intact nose section forward. This nose section was propelled through the rear E-Ring wall to impact on the D-Ring slab shown here in orange ( http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/columns.jpg = Slab deflected upward ), before exiting the C-Ring wall like a shotgun blast. The elapsed time from the Missile crossing the outer Route 27 cloverleaf and the nose section exiting the rear C-Ring wall was just under 2 seconds. :0) Now we are ready to begin analyzing the data from the security images again for ANY signs of fire:

Frame 10 shows the smoke plume rising up over the Pentagon wall. Examine every inch of the Pentagon wall for any sign of fire to realize there is none. Remember that Barbara Honegger’s purpose for tracking Lloyd down was to establish the facts about the ‘inside-the-building fires’ in the first place. Now carefully go through the remainder of all the images down to frame #30 and search everywhere for one hint of fire. Then realize with me there is none anywhere at 9:32:09. By this time maybe Lloyd is out of his vehicle wondering what to do with the ‘breakaway’ light pole sticking through his windshield. A few minutes pass and his helper arrives to lend assistance. They wrestle with the pole a bit, but are too occupied to actually see the remote-controlled A-3 Skywarrior Jet attack plane barreling down on the E-Ring wall in a vain attempt to take out Column Lines 11-18 and bring the E-Ring roof down at 9:37 AM. This marks the instant of Lloyd’s “BIG BOOM” that knocks him down, so the same light pole almost kills him twice. :0) However (this is the important part of our exercise), Lloyd and his partner turned around to see this:

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/2.jpg

Lord-Have-Mercy! Where did all this fire come? This is the ‘second 9:37 AM attack’ were the A-3 Skywarrior packed with incendiary charges did indeed impact the Pentagon and explode on impact. We want the Security Video footage from 9:30 to 10:30 with all the time stamps authenticating all of these events.

Joe >> Why would you hit a building with a missile AND an airplane? Isn't that just stupid? And I don't mean "leave the iron on when you go to work" stupid, I mean "leave your baby on top of the car and drive onto the interstate" stupid.


TimelineChart.jpg


The 9:32 AM Decoy Flyover Plane took the black flight path on a parallel course with the 9:32 AM Tomahawk Missile. Every eye was on the Decoy Plane, so nobody saw the missile at all. At between 500 and 700 MPH, the Missile passed through the black circle (see diagram on green path) to strike the E-Ring wall in under two seconds. That is 'one thousand one, one thousand . . .' BAMM, but the noise from the Decoy Plane engines and the sheer massive size blew everybody away. The idea was for all these witnesses to 'see' a BIG PLANE approaching the Pentagon on a near-collision course. However, the DoD inside job bad guys did not realize the missile bow shockwave would be so powerful to knock down any 'breakaway' poles, which inadvertently gave away their 'south' flight path location. The 9:37 AM A-3 Skywarrior Jet attack plane took the "North of Citgo" Flight Path to crash very near the same spot of the 9:32 AM missile, because the idea was to bring the roof down as near 9:37 AM as possible. Pole #1 turned out to be the culprit that fell onto Lloyd's taxi cab, so he was able to witness 'both' attacks. Otherwise, all the witnesses would have funneled through and given many different versions of the story, which is basically what you have today with these noted exceptions. Now please allow me to address a big problem around here:

Obviously many JREF members ignore the ‘attack the argument and not the arguer’ mantra part of the COC guidelines. I wonder how our Moderators would react if my side of this debate was posting NO EVIDENCE and calling everyone ‘stupid.’ :0) How many think they would put a sock in my mouth? In fact, they already threw my Flight 93 Thread in the garbage can AND locked the thread for good measure, even though my debating adversaries were flaming me and I was being nice to everyone. How do you wield so much power and authority and misuse that so blatantly in front of all these witnesses? If you want to get rid of me and never see Terral again, then move one more of my threads for some stupid reason.

I want everyone to click here ( http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=58 ) and look down the Board of the JREF garbage can and tell me how many of these threads had over 2000 views in under 19 hours? Come on and be honest . . . Any of my threads thrown into the can becomes the property of the mod putting it there and you can explain your actions to our Maker for ‘hiding’ the 911Truth under the cover of darkness. I violated NO RULES at all but my work is punished for the actions of others and the bad decisions of a few. Everyone here should have the same right to post his or her views on this Board, so long as we obey the rules. Right or wrong? Right and you know it. Someone needs to resurrect my Flight 93 Thread ( http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95068 ) from the dead, unless you can show how I violated one rule . . .

If 'your' explanation cannot withstand the test of a 'real' debate, then maybe the time has come to begin shaping your theories around 'the evidence' . . . I put too much effort in my work to have you just throw it away without having a case for anything . . .

GL,

Terral
 
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It occurs to me that with most warheads delivered by the Tomahawk missle there would be alot less Pentagon left after it hit.
 

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