Mojo
Mostly harmless
Dont you think theyre too young for testing? Gimme older twins
How come you didn't figure out how young they were back in August, when you were given their birth date?
How come you didn't figure out how young they were back in August, when you were given their birth date?
Madalch
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Why? Their personalities were clearly different by day 3.
But I want you to explain why a twenty minute difference would make such a drastic difference in personalities. What hope is there of two people born days apart (and thus the same astrological sign) of having any similarities, if a mere twenty minutes makes so much difference in personality?
Locknar
Sum of all evils tm
He won't answer your questions, just as he's not answered any others....yet he'll still claim astrology works, and still ask for dates and such & keep trying.
you blur things like a typical pseudo skeptic.
time of birth shows our hour sign.
Locknar
Sum of all evils tm
Blur things out? Typical pseudo skeptic? ooooookkkkk....
Seems to be a pretty straight forward, simple question. You've been wrong in every instance in showing astrology works.
I've asked if you can explain this. Apparently you can't.
kieran
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... and our "hour signs" have exactly how much meaning?
When you fail to get anywhere with your predictions/readings based on "date & location" sign and "hour" sign ... do you fancy bringing in a "minute", "second" and "which way the wind was blowing" sign in order to continue your excuses for failing dismally?
Locknar
Sum of all evils tm
idunno seems to be on a "time" kick: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2952057#post2952057
Odd, he has "time" to start another thread...yet can not make "time" to answer questions, such as why all of his attempts at showing astrology works have failed.
why astrological twins are different
Regardless of astrology, twins that are raised separately will be more alike than twins that are raised together. The development of personality comes from many things, including astrological chart, genetics, and FAMILY makeup. Twins with older siblings will walk younger, as normal singletons would. Twins without older siblings can decide, walking is for big people, and choose to continue to crawl, without anything being wrong with them. (Mine did this, didn't walk until 14 and 17 months) Why - they imitate and reinforce each others' behavior.
Twins deliberately make choices to differentiate from each other, in the quest for identity, and this begins just about age 2. If one likes apples, the other will hate apples, and like oranges. Twin A, the first born, is often the dominant twin, and except for Alice McDermott's duads, I don't have a logical reason why on mine. She was bigger, more confident, at birth and in months early after birth. While Twin B was a bit more aggressive and less confident (which was where the aggression seems to come from, I have a photo of her, at 8 months, reaching her fist over to hit her sister.)
Regardless of astrology, twins that are raised separately will be more alike than twins that are raised together. The development of personality comes from many things, including astrological chart, genetics, and FAMILY makeup. Twins with older siblings will walk younger, as normal singletons would. Twins without older siblings can decide, walking is for big people, and choose to continue to crawl, without anything being wrong with them. (Mine did this, didn't walk until 14 and 17 months) Why - they imitate and reinforce each others' behavior.
Twins deliberately make choices to differentiate from each other, in the quest for identity, and this begins just about age 2. If one likes apples, the other will hate apples, and like oranges. Twin A, the first born, is often the dominant twin, and except for Alice McDermott's duads, I don't have a logical reason why on mine. She was bigger, more confident, at birth and in months early after birth. While Twin B was a bit more aggressive and less confident (which was where the aggression seems to come from, I have a photo of her, at 8 months, reaching her fist over to hit her sister.)
no but it is evident from posts in other threads that skeptuics here lie about the results. See the post on Blacks and testoterone where someone refused to discuss thetopic because it goes against his beliefs
Locknar
Sum of all evils tm
no but it is evident from posts in other threads that skeptuics here lie about the results. See the post on Blacks and testoterone where someone refused to discuss thetopic because it goes against his beliefs
You seem to be implying that you feel you've been correct in your attempts astrology wise, and that the participants have lied in stating you've been wrong?
Do you, in fact, believe everyone that has particiapted in your astrology tests has lied...that you have been on target and they have lied about the results?
Is this your explaination as to why you've consistently failed to prove astrology works?
of course i do. I dont even know they existed at all.
I only get negative results here.Isnt that weird?
Locknar
Sum of all evils tm
of course i do. I dont even know they existed at all.
I only get negative results here.Isnt that weird?
Well folks, there you have it. I am not really sure what else there is to say, as idunno feels everyone has been dishonest and lied.
QED
strathmeyer
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of course i do. I dont even know they existed at all.
Of course you do what? You don't even know what existed at all? What should our conclusion be about your inability to have a discussion?
No.
What is your explanation for it?
theres nothing to say.
i simply wont do more tests with people who have a position to defend
theres nothing to say.
i simply wont do more tests with people who have a position to defend
this forum is known for being pseudo skeptic even by scientists
Complexity
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idunno -
I was one of the participants in your trial. I believe I was Achilles.
It will be a cold day in a non-existent hell before I enable the likes of you again.
Here is the email that I sent to the trial coordinator on the day that I was sent your profiles:
_______________________
Hi,
None of them fit me well, but #2 seems to be the least bad fit. It gets a few things right but is still mostly wrong.
If I could, I would have chosen 'None of the above'.
I went through each and kept tally of the number of agreements and disagreements that I felt with each. I usually added a stroke for one or the other per line, but there were exceptions.
disagreements agreements
#1 4 1
#2 4 3
#3 5 3
#4 6 3
#5 6 4
#6 3 2
#7 3 1
These were my first impressions - I decided to go with them rather than overanalyze things.
I've gone through the profiles again and bolded the parts that I think apply to me.
I'm 50, male, gay, well educated, financially struggling, and my one relationship ended seven months ago with my partner's death.
All of the information in this post can be shared with the rest of the forum.
Thanks
Originally Posted by drkitten
Here are the profiles, based on Chinese astrology; I've cleaned up some of the language, left some as-is. Please identify yourself as best you can (i.e. by number: 1--7).
#1
competitive, but gets too much support from relatives, especially old ones. May be spoiled.
talent for publicity but lacking motivation or ambition due to excessive protection.
should seek friends to escape family influence.
academic talent,cunning and technical.
nice and pleasant, but lacks opportunities for self expression of talents. intuitive and wise.
#2
rebelious and revolutionary, extrovert, original, creative,innovative, loving relation with an offspring.
ambitious, disciplined, but conflicts with superiors and authority figures.
idealist, friendly, money is very important but a SOURCE OF STRESS as it doesnt come easy.
opposite sex very important but its hard to find the right partner.
however marriage itself is good.
little support in life.
#3
potencial for making a lot of money but should avoid business partnerships.
pleasant person,righteous, honest,thrifty,opposite sex favorable but marriage not.
Marries the right person but somehow marriage doesnt work out well.
older friends.
a lot of support from parents but they also provide discipline.
very intuitive.
not very creative or creativity has no opportunities for expression.
#4
a creative and talented person, but talents are hidden, not visible to the public.He must create his own oportunities for performance, because they dont come easy till age 44.
he has a rebellious side but this side is not visible either unless he makes an effort.
he has conflicts with autority figures like father, boss, police,establishment.
but most importantntly, this is the chart of a leader. He could go into politics as he is capable of anything to get power if he likes power.Leadership is the key to this chart.
his basic chart has no resource meaning that he gets little support from parents and superiors,however, he had this element in luck cycles betwen ages 5-25, so he got some support in this period and was more studious.betwen age 25 and now money and women have been more important to him than knowledge.
he has many rivals in life and is competitive but he seems like the winner here as he has leadrship qualities.From age 25 he had little support from others and should avoid business partnerships all his life as he risks being cheated.Better go t alone.
He can be stubborn and solitary as he finds hard see others points of view
#5
He is a very talented person, artistically or otherwise.
a performer.
very rebellious with problems with authority figures and opposite sex.
extrovert,agressive, a bit insensitive to others feelings.
may care about the environment and wildlife.
studies not easy but favorable.
has difficulty getting support from otheers, like parents.
at best self made person, idependent.
doesnt rely much on others.
ideal lover likely to show up but temper causes troubles with lover.
lovers envy the persons performance, so do superiors.
marriage unfavoable, may divorce or stay single.
#6
His relatives, especially grandparents, and superiors admire the persons talent and performance.
revolutionary, original,creative, but a bit drastic and rebellious, a good performer.
friendly, good student, temperamental,spouse a bit controlling, but righteous and honest.
help and support from parents and elder relatives but not the right sort as they give what the subject wants rather than whats good for him.
disciplined and ambiytious but may spoil things with his revoluitionary spirit.
#7
a lot of support from family but not always the right kind.Parents may give the subject what he wants rather than what he really needs, so maybe spoiled person.
academic talent but lacking ambition to go high.
friendly, pleasant, known for his knowledge. self expression not the best, nor creative, or talent is blocked .
I was one of the participants in your trial. I believe I was Achilles.
It will be a cold day in a non-existent hell before I enable the likes of you again.
Here is the email that I sent to the trial coordinator on the day that I was sent your profiles:
_______________________
Hi,
None of them fit me well, but #2 seems to be the least bad fit. It gets a few things right but is still mostly wrong.
If I could, I would have chosen 'None of the above'.
I went through each and kept tally of the number of agreements and disagreements that I felt with each. I usually added a stroke for one or the other per line, but there were exceptions.
disagreements agreements
#1 4 1
#2 4 3
#3 5 3
#4 6 3
#5 6 4
#6 3 2
#7 3 1
These were my first impressions - I decided to go with them rather than overanalyze things.
I've gone through the profiles again and bolded the parts that I think apply to me.
I'm 50, male, gay, well educated, financially struggling, and my one relationship ended seven months ago with my partner's death.
All of the information in this post can be shared with the rest of the forum.
Thanks
Originally Posted by drkitten
Here are the profiles, based on Chinese astrology; I've cleaned up some of the language, left some as-is. Please identify yourself as best you can (i.e. by number: 1--7).
#1
competitive, but gets too much support from relatives, especially old ones. May be spoiled.
talent for publicity but lacking motivation or ambition due to excessive protection.
should seek friends to escape family influence.
academic talent,cunning and technical.
nice and pleasant, but lacks opportunities for self expression of talents. intuitive and wise.
#2
rebelious and revolutionary, extrovert, original, creative,innovative, loving relation with an offspring.
ambitious, disciplined, but conflicts with superiors and authority figures.
idealist, friendly, money is very important but a SOURCE OF STRESS as it doesnt come easy.
opposite sex very important but its hard to find the right partner.
however marriage itself is good.
little support in life.
#3
potencial for making a lot of money but should avoid business partnerships.
pleasant person,righteous, honest,thrifty,opposite sex favorable but marriage not.
Marries the right person but somehow marriage doesnt work out well.
older friends.
a lot of support from parents but they also provide discipline.
very intuitive.
not very creative or creativity has no opportunities for expression.
#4
a creative and talented person, but talents are hidden, not visible to the public.He must create his own oportunities for performance, because they dont come easy till age 44.
he has a rebellious side but this side is not visible either unless he makes an effort.
he has conflicts with autority figures like father, boss, police,establishment.
but most importantntly, this is the chart of a leader. He could go into politics as he is capable of anything to get power if he likes power.Leadership is the key to this chart.
his basic chart has no resource meaning that he gets little support from parents and superiors,however, he had this element in luck cycles betwen ages 5-25, so he got some support in this period and was more studious.betwen age 25 and now money and women have been more important to him than knowledge.
he has many rivals in life and is competitive but he seems like the winner here as he has leadrship qualities.From age 25 he had little support from others and should avoid business partnerships all his life as he risks being cheated.Better go t alone.
He can be stubborn and solitary as he finds hard see others points of view
#5
He is a very talented person, artistically or otherwise.
a performer.
very rebellious with problems with authority figures and opposite sex.
extrovert,agressive, a bit insensitive to others feelings.
may care about the environment and wildlife.
studies not easy but favorable.
has difficulty getting support from otheers, like parents.
at best self made person, idependent.
doesnt rely much on others.
ideal lover likely to show up but temper causes troubles with lover.
lovers envy the persons performance, so do superiors.
marriage unfavoable, may divorce or stay single.
#6
His relatives, especially grandparents, and superiors admire the persons talent and performance.
revolutionary, original,creative, but a bit drastic and rebellious, a good performer.
friendly, good student, temperamental,spouse a bit controlling, but righteous and honest.
help and support from parents and elder relatives but not the right sort as they give what the subject wants rather than whats good for him.
disciplined and ambiytious but may spoil things with his revoluitionary spirit.
#7
a lot of support from family but not always the right kind.Parents may give the subject what he wants rather than what he really needs, so maybe spoiled person.
academic talent but lacking ambition to go high.
friendly, pleasant, known for his knowledge. self expression not the best, nor creative, or talent is blocked .
I didnt want to mention but there were signs Achiles was gay as Power element also represents males and you have a loving combination with powerr which i interpreted as a love of Power but in this case is love for men.
Arthwollipot the Aussie guy also has a similar combo. Maybe he is Gay, but at the time I did his chart I didnt mention that. I simply told him he loved Powr. Maybe he can tell us if he is Gay
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Professor Yaffle
Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs
Likewise, as I was one of the participants, here was my response:
Re: astrology test
I am having great difficulty choosing between these profiles, as most of them contain a couple of phrases that are a bit like me, but the rest of the paragraph is totally unlike me. I am just trying to work out which is the least unlike me. None of the profiles contain anything that I would consider my core personality traits.
I think I am going to have to plump for number 1, despite the fact that it doesn't really describe me at all. It seems the least wrong.
Originally Posted by drkitten
Here are the profiles, based on Chinese astrology; I've cleaned up some of the language, left some as-is. Please identify yourself as best you can (i.e. by number: 1--7).
#1
competitive, but gets too much support from relatives, especially old ones. May be spoiled.
talent for publicity but lacking motivation or ambition due to excessive protection.
should seek friends to escape family influence.
academic talent,cunning and technical.
nice and pleasant, but lacks opportunities for self expression of talents. intuitive and wise.
#2
rebelious and revolutionary, extrovert, original, creative,innovative, loving relation with an offspring.
ambitious, disciplined, but conflicts with superiors and authority figures.
idealist, friendly, money is very important but a SOURCE OF STRESS as it doesnt come easy.
opposite sex very important but its hard to find the right partner.
however marriage itself is good.
little support in life.
#3
potencial for making a lot of money but should avoid business partnerships.
pleasant person,righteous, honest,thrifty,opposite sex favorable but marriage not.
Marries the right person but somehow marriage doesnt work out well.
older friends.
a lot of support from parents but they also provide discipline.
very intuitive.
not very creative or creativity has no opportunities for expression.
#4
a creative and talented person, but talents are hidden, not visible to the public.He must create his own oportunities for performance, because they dont come easy till age 44.
he has a rebellious side but this side is not visible either unless he makes an effort.
he has conflicts with autority figures like father, boss, police,establishment.
but most importantntly, this is the chart of a leader. He could go into politics as he is capable of anything to get power if he likes power.Leadership is the key to this chart.
his basic chart has no resource meaning that he gets little support from parents and superiors,however, he had this element in luck cycles betwen ages 5-25, so he got some support in this period and was more studious.betwen age 25 and now money and women have been more important to him than knowledge.
he has many rivals in life and is competitive but he seems like the winner here as he has leadrship qualities.From age 25 he had little support from others and should avoid business partnerships all his life as he risks being cheated.Better go t alone.
He can be stubborn and solitary as he finds hard see others points of view
#5
He is a very talented person, artistically or otherwise.
a performer.
very rebellious with problems with authority figures and opposite sex.
extrovert,agressive, a bit insensitive to others feelings.
may care about the environment and wildlife.
studies not easy but favorable.
has difficulty getting support from otheers, like parents.
at best self made person, idependent.
doesnt rely much on others.
ideal lover likely to show up but temper causes troubles with lover.
lovers envy the persons performance, so do superiors.
marriage unfavoable, may divorce or stay single.
#6
His relatives, especially grandparents, and superiors admire the persons talent and performance.
revolutionary, original,creative, but a bit drastic and rebellious, a good performer.
friendly, good student, temperamental,spouse a bit controlling, but righteous and honest.
help and support from parents and elder relatives but not the right sort as they give what the subject wants rather than whats good for him.
disciplined and ambiytious but may spoil things with his revoluitionary spirit.
#7
a lot of support from family but not always the right kind.Parents may give the subject what he wants rather than what he really needs, so maybe spoiled person.
academic talent but lacking ambition to go high.
friendly, pleasant, known for his knowledge. self expression not the best, nor creative, or talent is blocked .
__________________
Re: astrology test
I am having great difficulty choosing between these profiles, as most of them contain a couple of phrases that are a bit like me, but the rest of the paragraph is totally unlike me. I am just trying to work out which is the least unlike me. None of the profiles contain anything that I would consider my core personality traits.
I think I am going to have to plump for number 1, despite the fact that it doesn't really describe me at all. It seems the least wrong.
Originally Posted by drkitten
Here are the profiles, based on Chinese astrology; I've cleaned up some of the language, left some as-is. Please identify yourself as best you can (i.e. by number: 1--7).
#1
competitive, but gets too much support from relatives, especially old ones. May be spoiled.
talent for publicity but lacking motivation or ambition due to excessive protection.
should seek friends to escape family influence.
academic talent,cunning and technical.
nice and pleasant, but lacks opportunities for self expression of talents. intuitive and wise.
#2
rebelious and revolutionary, extrovert, original, creative,innovative, loving relation with an offspring.
ambitious, disciplined, but conflicts with superiors and authority figures.
idealist, friendly, money is very important but a SOURCE OF STRESS as it doesnt come easy.
opposite sex very important but its hard to find the right partner.
however marriage itself is good.
little support in life.
#3
potencial for making a lot of money but should avoid business partnerships.
pleasant person,righteous, honest,thrifty,opposite sex favorable but marriage not.
Marries the right person but somehow marriage doesnt work out well.
older friends.
a lot of support from parents but they also provide discipline.
very intuitive.
not very creative or creativity has no opportunities for expression.
#4
a creative and talented person, but talents are hidden, not visible to the public.He must create his own oportunities for performance, because they dont come easy till age 44.
he has a rebellious side but this side is not visible either unless he makes an effort.
he has conflicts with autority figures like father, boss, police,establishment.
but most importantntly, this is the chart of a leader. He could go into politics as he is capable of anything to get power if he likes power.Leadership is the key to this chart.
his basic chart has no resource meaning that he gets little support from parents and superiors,however, he had this element in luck cycles betwen ages 5-25, so he got some support in this period and was more studious.betwen age 25 and now money and women have been more important to him than knowledge.
he has many rivals in life and is competitive but he seems like the winner here as he has leadrship qualities.From age 25 he had little support from others and should avoid business partnerships all his life as he risks being cheated.Better go t alone.
He can be stubborn and solitary as he finds hard see others points of view
#5
He is a very talented person, artistically or otherwise.
a performer.
very rebellious with problems with authority figures and opposite sex.
extrovert,agressive, a bit insensitive to others feelings.
may care about the environment and wildlife.
studies not easy but favorable.
has difficulty getting support from otheers, like parents.
at best self made person, idependent.
doesnt rely much on others.
ideal lover likely to show up but temper causes troubles with lover.
lovers envy the persons performance, so do superiors.
marriage unfavoable, may divorce or stay single.
#6
His relatives, especially grandparents, and superiors admire the persons talent and performance.
revolutionary, original,creative, but a bit drastic and rebellious, a good performer.
friendly, good student, temperamental,spouse a bit controlling, but righteous and honest.
help and support from parents and elder relatives but not the right sort as they give what the subject wants rather than whats good for him.
disciplined and ambiytious but may spoil things with his revoluitionary spirit.
#7
a lot of support from family but not always the right kind.Parents may give the subject what he wants rather than what he really needs, so maybe spoiled person.
academic talent but lacking ambition to go high.
friendly, pleasant, known for his knowledge. self expression not the best, nor creative, or talent is blocked .
__________________
Professor Yaffle
Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs
I didnt want to mention but there were signs Achiles was gay as Power element also represents males and you have a loving combination with powerr which i interpreted as a love of Power but in this case is love for men.
Arthwollit the Aussie guy also has a similar combo. Maybe he is Gay, but at the time I did his chart I didnt mention that. I simply told him he loved Powr. Maybe he can tell us if he is Gay
Funny how you suddenly claim to have known things after you have just been told about them....