Was Christopher Columbus obsessed with the Bible

Foster Zygote said:
A small price to pay to be able to exploit white people for a change.
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And I'm glad reserves are rife with pathological gambling and all sorts of other related problems - depression, poverty, violence and cie. It's for their own good.
 
DOC said:
Well what is not realized to many is that back then the Church had a lot a power and was actually considered superior to the state in some places. Going against the church was considered similar to treason. Much like going against the interests of the United States or any other country can be considered treason. The penalty for treason in the United States can be death. Also some people believe that there is torture going on by this country in places around the world.

And If you ask the Palestinians and Arabs they would tell you the Jews are not so innocent in the area of killing and torture.

If you go against a kingdom or a country your going to pay a heavy price. And doesn't the Bible say people who go against the kingdom of God are going to pay a heavy price. I'm not saying the actions of the Church were correct back then, but they believed they were protecting God's kingdom. Much like the US and Israel believe they are protecting their country (kingdom) by their tough and militaristic actions which includes much killing, and according to some --torture.
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You've just validated what I've long maintained; that, when you get the true substance of their beliefs, christians are anti-american. Thank you.
 
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DOC said:
Who has more civil liberties, the people in atheistic Russia
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Russia isn't atheistic.

and China
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Neither is china.

people in the mostly Christian USA and Great Britain.
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The USA is secular.

I have a suspicion that the less Christian we become, the less "overall" civil liberties we will have.
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Your suspicion is totally and demonstrably wrong. As christianity has lost power and prestige in the USA and Europe, civil liberties, freedom and human rights have progressed considerably.

World History bears that out.
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Is this a lie or a demonstration of ignorance?

And remember the founder of the ACLU was a Communist.
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So? Some of our founding father mistakingly believed in christianity. Great people who do great things are rarely perfect.
 
Herzblut said:
China is an atheist country.


But the UK isn't.

Hey, that makes 50:50 between doc and yourself. Keep going!

:D

Herzblut
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China isn't atheistic, although it's much more serious about being secular. To the point of oppression at times. Still there is a constitutional freedom of religion which is being more regularly invoked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China

It's also extremely amusing to be that you'd pick the UK as your 'religious example' as it's such a nominal measure with the whole country being one of the least religious places on earth.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1043986.stm
 
Herzblut said:
On the massive state suppression of religious freedom based on communist ideology.

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Which would make sense if the majority of the population didn't actually have religious beliefs and if the government suppression wasn't actually decreasing.
 
quixotecoyote said:
China isn't atheistic, although it's much more serious about being secular. To the point of oppression at times. Still there is a constitutional freedom of religion which is being more regularly invoked.
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Haha! You're funny again. You might as well say there's freedom of speech in China, because it's promised in the constitution.

Well, I admit there is total freedom of speech when it's praising the government. Is it sth. like that what you refer to?

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Herzblut said:
On the massive state suppression of religious freedom based on communist ideology.
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Then your labeling China "atheistic" is a non-sequitur. Atheism in no way posits state suppression of religion based on communism.
 
Tony said:
Then your labeling China "atheistic" is a non-sequitur. Atheism in no way posits state suppression of religion based on communism.
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Of course it does. A state based on an atheist ideology that suppresses freedom of religion has to be called atheist. But the label "antitheist" would be better in case of China, I'd readily admit.

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Herzblut said:
Of course it does. A state based on an atheist ideology that suppresses freedom of religion has to be called atheist. But the label "antitheist" would be better in case of China, I'd readily admit.

Herzblut
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The vast majority of people in China are not atheistic.

The government of China claims to be atheistic but runs official churches.

The suppression of religion in China is not near the point you could call it de facto atheistic.

You have no grounds remaining to call China atheistic.
 
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Herzblut said:
Of course it does. A state based on an atheist ideology that suppresses freedom of religion has to be called atheist.
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This is circular reasoning. Hint: That means you're wrong.

But the label "antitheist" would be better in case of China, I'd readily admit.
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Since labeling it "atheistic" is entirely inappropriate, antitheist is much more accurate.
 
quixotecoyote said:
The vast majority of people in China are not atheistic.
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Wrong again:

The country has an area of 3.5 million square miles, and its population is approximately 1.3 billion. According to an April 2005 Government White Paper, there were "more than 100 million religious adherents,"

US State Department Report 2006
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2006/71338.htm

Thereafter, approximately 90% of all Chinese are irreligious.

quixotecoyote said:
The government of China claims to be atheistic but runs official churches.
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Just five (kinda) religions are permitted. All others are drastically suppressed.

quixotecoyote said:
The suppression of religion in China is not near the point you could call it de facto atheistic.
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Of course it is. Read above reference.

quixotecoyote said:
You have no grounds remaining to call China atheistic.
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Haha!

Herzblut
 
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Tony said:
This is circular reasoning. Hint: That means you're wrong.
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This is not circular reasoning. Instead, it concludes from an atheist ideology held by an omnipotent state party to an atheist state. Which is fully valid if that state does suppress religions. If it didn't do so it might be called "secular".

If you disagree, provide a better definition of an "atheist state".

Tony said:
Since labeling it "atheistic" is entirely inappropriate, antitheist is much more accurate.
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Antitheists form a subset of all atheists.

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quixotecoyote said:
It's also extremely amusing to be that you'd pick the UK as your 'religious example' as it's such a nominal measure with the whole country being one of the least religious places on earth.
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It is even more amusing that Tony called the US & A "secular" as it's one of the most religious places on Earth.

:D

Ever heart of "selective perception"? It's something you should really try to reduce to an acceptable level.

Herzblut
 
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