Was Christopher Columbus obsessed with the Bible

[kmortis]

What?!

And I wonder whether you have any evidence that any single organization, secular humanist or otherwise, made any such decision.

Personally, I doubt it.

Careful Cleon. Questioning the Great DOC could end in libel. Tread carefully.



I've heard that "other" history of Colombus before. The version I heard was that he was Jewish as well. I dont' really remember why him being Jewish was important to the overall story, but that was that.

 

[Oualawouzou]

Yes, but the Church has a history of learning from its mistakes.

Just thought I'd quote this to make sure it is not lost in the discussion. (ETA: I use that last word pretty loosely.)

 

[triadboy]

If that's true, I wonder what secular humanist organization decided the American student wouldn't be taught that.

Didn't I hear that whole Alamo thing didn't go down quite like they taught us?

 

[Mid]

Hang on, so is the his/hers entire argument that some famous people in history were Christian? What on Earth does this prove?

 

[quixotecoyote]

Nothing. He refused to explicitly state his argument. Thinks he's being cute with subtle implications. This is the first thread where the historical figure has been unambiguously Christian enough for the conversation to be 'so what' instead of 'no'.

 

[wollery]

I may be wrong, but wasn't it the Americans who started the practice of scalping, in order to prove how many Indians they'd killed for the bounty?

You are correct.

Okay, so this barbaric practice was created by the European settlers, explorers and pioneers, spreading the the good word, and slaughtering anyone who dared to defend their homeland from invasion.

How very christian.

 

[slingblade]

Yes, and that's where the term "Redskin" comes from, as well. Trappers and bounty hunters.

"I've brought in 6 deer skins, 4 bear skins, and a dozen red skins."

Meaning bloody scalps.

But hey, at least we "honored" them by naming a baseball team after the practice.

 

[DOC]

Originally Posted by DOC
If that's true, I wonder what secular humanist organization decided the American student wouldn't be taught that.

What?!

And I wonder whether you have any evidence that any single organization, secular humanist or otherwise, made any such decision.

Personally, I doubt it.

Somebody made the decision to turn

Cristofan Colon which loosely translated means "A Pillar in the path of Christ" in Portuguese

into Christopher Columbus. And I have a feeling somebody or a group of people in a conference room somewhere made the decision not to let students know that his name translates "A pillar in the path of Christ". Not to mention all the info about his "Book of Prophesies".

 

[Wheezebucket]

And I have a feeling somebody or a group of people in a conference room somewhere made the decision not to let students know that his name translates "A pillar in the path of Christ". Not to mention all the info about his "Book of Prophesies".

That's your beef with the level of education in relation to Columbus in schools? That a murdering slave-trader isn't given credit as a pillar in the path of Christ?

 

[DOC]

Okay, so this barbaric practice was created by the European settlers, explorers and pioneers, spreading the the good word, and slaughtering anyone who dared to defend their homeland from invasion.

How very christian.

Actually the Christian Pilgrims had a good relationship with the Indians. And there are several very rich tribes out there because of Indian Gaming. So not everything turned out so bad. It's certainly more peaceful now on the North American Continent than before the Europeans came.

 

[DOC]

That's your beef with the level of education in relation to Columbus in schools? That a murdering slave-trader isn't given credit as a pillar in the path of Christ?

Fine, tell the students that there were a lot of wrongs done but also tell them about what Columbus' name means. History should be history and not an agenda.

 

[Wheezebucket]

Actually the Christian Pilgrims had a good relationship with the Indians. And there are several very rich tribes out there because of Indian Gaming. So not everything turned out so bad. It's certainly more peaceful now on the North American Continent than before the Europeans came.

I don't even know where to start...****ing hell. First off, no they didn't. Second off, yes, it DID turn out so bad for the vast majority of the native american population (tens of millions killed, but hey, a tiny minority of redskins livin' today make some money off casinos, so it's all good, right?!). Third off, maybe you need to do some research into what life is like on native american reservations today. And finally - what the **** are you TALKING about?!

I'd like to go into more detail, but reading **** like this gets me so worked up I can hardly stand it. The complete level of ignorance displayed here is *breathtaking*.

 

[Wheezebucket]

Fine, tell the students that there were a lot of wrongs done but also tell them about what Columbus' name means. History should be history and not an agenda.

You have shown a COMPLETE lack of historical understanding in this thread. The **** you've said about native american culture alone is enough to outline your own agenda quite clearly, you racist ass.

 

[triadboy]

Actually the Christian Pilgrims had a good relationship with the Indians. And there are several very rich tribes out there because of Indian Gaming. So not everything turned out so bad. It's certainly more peaceful now on the North American Continent than before the Europeans came.

That's amazing! You are DOCstradamus. You know the unknowable.

 

[Miss Anthrope]

History should be history and not an agenda.

Finally, I agree with you Doc. Now, the real challenge of intellectual honesty is to apply that to oneself.

 

[wollery]

Fine, tell the students that there were a lot of wrongs done but also tell them about what Columbus' name means. History should be history and not an agenda.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/cv2.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/hmrt.htm

Yeah, really peaceful! :rolleyes.

 

[Hokulele]

Actually the Christian Pilgrims had a good relationship with the Indians. And there are several very rich tribes out there because of Indian Gaming. So not everything turned out so bad. It's certainly more peaceful now on the North American Continent than before the Europeans came.

That has to be the most bigoted, dense, insensitive, abhorrently inhuman post I have seen out of DOC yet. You should be ashamed of yourself, truly ashamed. Your obsession with your religious fantasy has completely blinded you to the truth in history. And yes, people of your faith have done horrible things in the name of that faith, and the attitude you have shown here demonstrates exactly how such atrocities could happen in the past.

Sorry, kmo, I know this is your job, but I really cannot let this slide. I will wash the pancake dishes in penance.

 

[TriangleMan]

I'd like to go into more detail, but reading **** like this gets me so worked up I can hardly stand it. The complete level of ignorance displayed here is *breathtaking*.

It would appear that DOC is trolling you good. You might be better off putting him on ignore.

 

[Wheezebucket]

It would appear that DOC is trolling you good. You might be better off putting him on ignore.

Not a bad idea.

 

[joobz]

Not a bad idea.

Don't feel bad. DOC is an intellectual coward. DOC avoids every hard question and only presents foolish information. Indeed, He'll respond to this post by accusing me of "attacking the messenger" or he may just ignore it. But, he won't address the fact that my attack is exactly at the failing of all his arguments. His failing lies with him. He is an intellectual coward.

Also, don't worry about his claims of "Native Americans are better off" crap. We all see through it for what it exactly is. DOC is a living example of why the ACLU, the seperation of church and state, and the "secularization of america" is the moral and just path for the USA. I thank DOC for providing such a convincing argument against everything he stands for.