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Psychic Detectives are real

polomontana said:
No, I didn't know about Goldner but it makes no difference.
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Oh, yes, it does.

It means that you have not read Schwartz' experiments.

Don't lecture people on something you have no knowledge of. It is arrogant, it is stupid. If you bluff, you will be found out.

Don't lie.

polomontana said:
You would have to show that a, Goldner told the mediums about the deceased and b, that this is a comon practice of every sitter in the experiments. Since a and b can't be shown to be true then the argument makes no sense.
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No.

No.

No.

You have to understand that it is not up to the skeptics to show anything.

It is solely up to those who make the claims - you - to provide evidence of their claims.

polomontana said:
This is why you have a control group, to eliminate guessing. If the mediums are more accurate and specific than the control group, then there you have it.

Their are skeptics of string theory, should we discount all evidence from proponents of string theory from looking into the field? That makes no sense. If we eliminate everyone in every field who has a vested interest in the underlying field that they are investigating and researching then we would still be living in caves.
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Stop talking nonsense, and answer the questions:

Which example did you refer to (white hair, author, etc)?

How can wrong guesses prove life after death? Why isn't that evidence of guessing?

If you dismiss skeptics because you claim they have a vested interest, why don't you dismiss Schwartz for the very same reason?

You are not impressing anyone here with your blabbering. Address the issues, answer the questions.
 
Here's a simple question Slimething,

Zero point energy = E = hw/2. This is the lowest energy state on the quantum harmonic oscillator. If you don't know about the harmonic oscillator here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_harmonic_oscillator

Tell me, how does this energy die when you die? This energy is associated with every human being on the planet. At death does it disappear LOL?
 
A bunch of links to physics articles on Wikipedia. Yep, that proves psychic detectives are real. Seriously, when you start spouting this stuff in the Psychical Spook forums, the chicks must dig it. Am I right?
 
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CFLarsen,

Your not making any sense. Your asking me to debate a strawman. The skeptic has to show evidence that all the sitters in the experiments have told the mediums about the deceased. There is no such evidence and I'm not going to ASSUME it to satisfy the skeptic. That makes no sense.

The skeptic has to suport his or her claims with evidence not just their opinion. Is there any evidence that the mediums in the experiments know about the deceased? If you can't provide any evidence of this, then it's just skeptical conjecture.
 
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polomontana said:
Here's a simple question Slimething,

Zero point energy = E = hw/2. This is the lowest energy state on the quantum harmonic oscillator. If you don't know about the harmonic oscillator here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_harmonic_oscillator

Tell me, how does this energy die when you die? This energy is associated with every human being on the planet. At death does it disappear LOL?
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So you think it is this energy that keeps a living organism alive? I can't do quantum mechanics or physics or math, but I know that living organisms are not simply a bunch of energy randomly assembled. Do you understand this? How are you different from a piece of coal?


(And no, I'm not referring to the soul.)
 
Slyjoe,

Is there a law against applying physics to life after death? It's very simple Slyjoe. Psychics say they are contacting a persons energy at death. Is there any energy that's associated with a person that's still present when we die? The answer, YES. Is this shown by physics? YES. Just read about zero point energy and the Casimir Effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

This is just the tip of the iceburg, check out the sites I've linked to on my posts if your truly a freethinker.
 
polomontana said:
CFLarsen,

Your not making any sense. Your asking me to debate a strawman. The skeptic has to show evidence that all the sitters in the experiments have told the mediums about the deceased. There is no such evidence and I'm not going to ASSUME it to satisfy the skeptic. That makes no sense.

The skeptic has to suport his or her claims with evidence not just their opinion. Is there any evidence that the mediums in the experiments know about the deceased? If you can't provide any evidence of this, then it's just skeptical conjecture.
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Well, we could just see who can find the most evidence then. You find some to support your view that psychic detectives are real, we'll continue to show you how it isn't actually evidence.

And to quote Robert Lancaster's great reference:

You keep using that word.

I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
polomontana said:
Slyjoe,

Is there a law against applying physics to life after death? It's very simple Slyjoe. Psychics say they are contacting a persons energy at death. Is there any energy that's associated with a person that's still present when we die? The answer, YES. Is this shown by physics? YES. Just read about zero point energy and the Casimir Effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
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Yet there is no physics that shows that you can communicate with this energy. How does this energy know English?
 
BrianSI,

Have you ever heard of E=MC2? Matter is energy. It's energy in a state of decoherence. I believe in the soul, but I will stick to explanations that we know for now. We are different than coal because of the configuration of decohered energy states. It's like a puzzle. I can have two puzzles made up of the same pieces but they form two different things. A human body and a piece of coal is made up of the same things but they are just in different states.
 
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polomontana said:
CFLarsen,

Your not making any sense. Your asking me to debate a strawman. The skeptic has to show evidence that all the sitters in the experiments have told the mediums about the deceased. There is no such evidence and I'm not going to ASSUME it to satisfy the skeptic. That makes no sense.

The skeptic has to suport his or her claims with evidence not just their opinion. Is there any evidence that the mediums in the experiments know about the deceased? If you can't provide any evidence of this, then it's just skeptical conjecture.
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If the skeptic had never heard of psychics or psychic detectives, you would be right (for the first time all thread).

Unfortuntately that's not the case here. We've more than heard of them, we're familiar with their methods... and while it's coming to too much of a conclusion to say that psychic abilities can never be proven, pointing out that the only physical "evidence" of anything they've presented can... and has been... easily debunked time and time again is not betraying your retarded definition of what a skeptic is. We've seen it before as a fake, the ball is therefore in their court to present something... ANYTHING... that can prove they're not using the same trick we've seen before.

If you see a magician pull a rabbit out of his hat, and figure out how it was done... a skeptic doesn't have to believe the next guy who pulls a rabbit out of his hat really pulled it out of thin air until he can prove that it wasn't. That's not a skeptic... that's an idiot. And defining it using screwy logic that makes perfect sense to other idiots doesn't play in worlds where non-lunatics hang out.

Besides, as you're following pretty much every rule of the woo troll guide posted earlier I probably wouldn't have even bothered with this response if I was sober.
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polomontana said:
BrianSI,

Have you ever heard of E=MC2? Matter is energy. It's energy in a state of decoherence. I believe in the soul, but I will stick to explanations that we know for now. We are different than coal because of the configuration of decohered mattered. It's like a puzzle. I can have two puzzles made up of the same pieces but they form two different things. A human body and a piece of coal is made up of the same things but they are just in different states.
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None of that has anything to do with fake psychics or fraudulent life-after-death "studies" that are fatally flawed. It is a completely ignorant misrepresentation of what science actually says.
 
polomontana,
Yoo Hoo. Are you there?

Could you answer my question?



Gord_in_Toronto said:
polomontana,

I wrote earlier:

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polomontana,

I see on US TV all the time high-profile cases of missing persons or spectacular murders.

Your claim is that there are people who can by psychic means find the missing and identify the murderers and, further, that there are police officers who are convinced that this is possible.

Why are these cases not solved?
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Perhaps you missed the question.

Possibly you could try and give me an answer. I'm really interested.
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Does the energy stay together or spread out?

Are you saying the psychic communicates with the rotting body in the ground?

What if someone is cremated?

What if there's nothing left but a skeleton because the worms were hungry?
 
polomontana said:
BrianSI,

Have you ever heard of E=MC2? Matter is energy. It's energy in a state of decoherence. I believe in the soul, but I will stick to explanations that we know for now. We are different than coal because of the configuration of decohered mattered. It's like a puzzle. I can have two puzzles made up of the same pieces but they form two different things. A human body and a piece of coal is made up of the same things but they are just in different states.
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I felt like this once. It involved mushrooms and physics homework.

I promptly switched my major to business.
 
polomontana said:
Slyjoe,

Is there a law against applying physics to life after death? It's very simple Slyjoe. Psychics say they are contacting a persons energy at death. Is there any energy that's associated with a person that's still present when we die? The answer, YES. Is this shown by physics? YES. Just read about zero point energy and the Casimir Effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

This is just the tip of the iceburg, check out the sites I've linked to on my posts if your truly a freethinker.
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Of course there isn't a law against applying physics to life after death. You claimed you knew these physics. Why don't you enlighten us? Posting links to KNOWN PHYSICAL PHENOMENA is not an adequate response, as these phenomena say NOTHING about application to life after death. You could start by explaining the physics behind communications with this energy.

What happens to the energy in a person's atoms after death? You really don't know, do you?
 
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