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Moderated Dowsing By Edge

edge said:
Before terminating your application, the JREF very likely considered everything - and that includes your display on this thread from May 2006 to February 2007 - leading up to the point where it became screamingly obvious that you were in no way ready for a test under controlled conditions.


Another lie.

Really, http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2722435#post2722435

Easy as that, Done in Arnolds voice (just do it).

And now I bid you Good day!
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I do not understand how your reply proves that I lied.

And where would the first - or the other - lie be?



[CFLarsen]
With your application terminated, what are your goals involving the JREF (not IIG, not Gary Schwartz) at this point?
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edge said:
You mean like this?

Randi's not without detractors. While he insists he conducts fair, double-blind tests, Gary Schwartz, a University of Arizona professor and an expert on the paranormal, says Randi alters testing parameters. "The phenomena are very sensitive," says Schwartz. "He doesn't optimize conditions." Mike Guska, who failed to prove he could find gold, agrees. He says taking the "Challenge" in an office threw off his channeling ability. Guska wants to retake it: "They're going to have to come to me."
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No, not like that, but by actually contacting Gary Schwartz. Being quoted by a third party, in the same paragraph as GW is quoted is not actually communication between you and GW.
 
edge said:
...There is no way that the Idomotor effect can do what dowsing can demonstrate when it over comes gravity.
This is where the copper wire one comes into play, it’s so heavy that it’s hard to hold out in front of you with out it slipping and falling, this should be filmed and examined.

It’s not my hands or arms and I can do the demonstration just like you seen perfectly still, no movement of my arms or hands, 180-degree arch of movement with the copper-dowsing rod.
The connection to the hands is so great that it burns.
That's why I don't use it on the creek also...
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Pity you didn't mention this before.

Dowsing rods generating enough heat to burn the hands of the dowser?

How simple THAT would have been to test. EASY Million, that...
 
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You mean like this?

Randi's not without detractors. While he insists he conducts fair, double-blind tests, Gary Schwartz, a University of Arizona professor and an expert on the paranormal, says Randi alters testing parameters. "The phenomena are very sensitive," says Schwartz. "He doesn't optimize conditions." Mike Guska, who failed to prove he could find gold, agrees. He says taking the "Challenge" in an office threw off his channeling ability. Guska wants to retake it: "They're going to have to come to me."
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Mmmm, I ask Randi about this when I see him next week............... :rolleyes:

Paul

:) :) :)
 
EHocking said:
Pity you didn't mention this before.

Dowsing rods generating enough heat to burn the hands of the dowser?

How simple THAT would have been to test. EASY Million, that...
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Heck, just the Dowsing rods bending 180 degrees on their own would be easy to test (You do realize how extreme a 180 degree bend is, Edge?)
 
Ravenwood said:
Heck, just the Dowsing rods bending 180 degrees on their own would be easy to test (You do realize how extreme a 180 degree bend is, Edge?)
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But you put it on the ground and it just sits there doing nothing, go figure. :rolleyes:

Paul

:) :) :)
 
SezMe said:
Since edge's challenge is dead (or at least moribund) this thread seems to have little value other than its historical record. However, edge is not done pursuing his effort to prove that he can dowse so I have started a new thread in the proper forum so we can continue to follow this topic.
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As long as edge intends to try for the MDC, it seems relevant to continue the thread here. His application has been closed for this time, but he has also been told that he is free to apply in a year, and presumably he is then exempt from the new rules that he needs media attention and academic support.

In reality this thread has at least one year more until edge gives up, or the JREF declares that they will not test him again, ever.
 
I disagree, steenkh, on two counts. First, if he applies again, then a new thread can be started with the new challenge and newly proposed protocol as the starting point. There is no reason to burden that (possible) new challenge with all the horse manure contained herein.

Secondly, I do not presume that he exempt from the new rules.

RemieV, please advise whether edge can apply again with an exemption from the new rules. Thanks.
 
I think being infamous on the board doesn't exempt you from the rules. I think the staff at the Jref would pounce on any excuse NOT to have to communicate with the rambling Edge, I know I would.
 
Kenny 10 Bellys said:
I think being infamous on the board doesn't exempt you from the rules. I think the staff at the Jref would pounce on any excuse NOT to have to communicate with the rambling Edge, I know I would.
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The actual wording of Jeff's mail says: "Should you wish, you can reapply again in one year, by which time you may have perfected your protocol enough so that negotiations will be much simpler."

I really think that if edge in the meantime would need to gather media recognition and academic backup, Jeff would have said so. But I can accept that it is unclear.
 
steenkh said:
The actual wording of Jeff's mail says: "Should you wish, you can reapply again in one year, by which time you may have perfected your protocol enough so that negotiations will be much simpler."

I really think that if edge in the meantime would need to gather media recognition and academic backup, Jeff would have said so. But I can accept that it is unclear.
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It's a perfect out, isn't it.


Jack of all trades and a master of a few.
Better sig.
 
SezMe said:
I disagree, steenkh, on two counts. First, if he applies again, then a new thread can be started with the new challenge and newly proposed protocol as the starting point. There is no reason to burden that (possible) new challenge with all the horse manure contained herein.

Secondly, I do not presume that he exempt from the new rules.

RemieV, please advise whether edge can apply again with an exemption from the new rules. Thanks.
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This will be intresting, bump on what SezMe asks.
 
Edge, If you can show the foundation's rep/witness the described forces bending the dowsing rods 180 degrees with no input from you, you have a winner! (BTW, what gauge copper wire are you using?)
 
GzuzKryzt said:
You don't have me on ignore, so you should be able to answer a simple question. Right, edge?
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2006 to February 2007 - leading up to the point where it became screamingly obvious that you were in no way ready for a test under controlled conditions.
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I tested myself for what 3 years or more I tried to follow the double blind guide lines as best as I could and then some if possible.

On a moments notice in the middle of my own testing, I got a call from a fellow skeptic of yours to test with him, and I accommodated that person to at least show what I was up to, on a moments notice.

The JREF on a moments notice wanted me to go to Japan, which I also agreed upon as long as they accepted some of what my studies indicated that I needed, to accomplish what my experiments showed to me as far as having a possibility of passing the test for dowsing, which was declined by them as being too complicated.
We all know what those two things where.
Rest time and a limestone quarry.

I would hedge the bet against me, myself, after reading some of this thread if I was on their side.
SezMe and I came to an agreement within 5 minutes on how to test, because of limited time on his part, and that test happened, so were do you get that I'm not ready?
It's not me that stopped the negotiations.

And everything from May 2006 till February of 2007 is irrelevant as I was still in test mode and just talking, using your logic against mine and still learning how to conduct the test so that I had a chance to pass.
Then they changed the rules with a deadline, so I submitted my application much earlier than I wanted, but it all worked out, because I found the way to do this to succeed not fail.
If they called me right now and said, " Ok we'll take your bet and let's meet at Coffee Creek”, I would be ready so you’re full of (rule 8). The link above proves it.

I was open to all of you with what I knew, and all the protocols up to Specktators protocol were flawed against my favor.

You guys would have me doing the test like before, which is as far as I can tell, a for sure way to fail again.

I have found out even outside you can’t set 10 containers on the ground without getting various readings from 3 or 4 of them when they are empty.

I tried another experiment where they were hung on a string.
I got 6 out of 10 correct that way but when I went to a place which was a ball room, where it would be convenient for the JREF, and within the same building where they would be able to stay over night, I got 3 of 10 correct.
Convenience doesn’t work.


Even The I.I.G. says in a field test they would not have control, what does that mean?

It’s a double blind test controlled by them.
You will all lose control of your bet possibly and that probability would upset the statuesque.
I wouldn’t take that bet either.
There’s no trickery there’s no guesses even in the way I test.
If I guess I will lose, I am certain of that.
This has to be a real pick by me just like when I mine or it means nothing to the JREF or myself.

So when they went home they took the ball too.


So let's see the letter you sent to the I.I.G. SezMe.


Dowsing is not paranormal SezMe but if the I.I.G. and myself do anything you can keep track in your new thread.

Imagine the screams if they lost?
 
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You don't have me on ignore, so you should be able to answer a simple question. Right, edge?
I have nothing to hide.

They will never test me is what I think.
Not my choice.
My plans have been thwarted.
Would you bet a million against me now?
The I.I.G. wants to test me, from what I gather, inside for their convenience, or out in their parking lot, at least so far.

It depends on what RemieV has to say on the question asked above.
 
SezMe said:
RemieV, please advise whether edge can apply again with an exemption from the new rules. Thanks.
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Mr. Guska will need to fulfill the media presence requirement in order to re-apply. This is not a difficult task, and has certainly been accomplished by others hoping to apply.

The media presence is required in the hopes of weeding out persons who are mentally ill, deluded, or succumb to belief because of coincidence or desire. A journalist who is not in any way biased and still finds reason to write an article about an applicant is yet another way to support the claim, and should be looked upon as a boost rather than a restriction.

~Remie
 
What about the academic support? Surely that is not as easy to achieve as to find a journalist who will write enthusiastically about the paranormal event no matter if he believes it or not.
 
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