carlson test and debunking randi

idunno said:
I suggest Huntsman test with the corrections mentioned by Michael:cool:
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I have already volunteered to be escrow holder (communications to be addressed via PM to me); I have one volunteer who has sent data. One of the nice thing about Huntsman's test is that it generalizes to as many volunteers as would like to participate, and of course is more accurate with
more volunteers.

Yes, that's a subtle hint.

I think this is a much better test than the "did we give you the correct birthday" test.
 
drkitten said:
I have already volunteered to be escrow holder (communications to be addressed via PM to me); I have one volunteer who has sent data. One of the nice thing about Huntsman's test is that it generalizes to as many volunteers as would like to participate, and of course is more accurate with
more volunteers.

Yes, that's a subtle hint.

I think this is a much better test than the "did we give you the correct birthday" test.
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good morning:)

am i not gorgeous.?..look at those eyes...im in love with myself
 
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idunno said:
the problem is most tests are done in sun signs alone. Not surprise if they dont always fit.
but if sun and rising signs belong to same element, i daresay the person will agree with the interpretation:)
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... and if it doesn't, will you just look around for another excuse why it doesn't work? Will you insist on a pointless tweak to the previously agreed protocol? What would it take to convince you that it is just guessing and wishful thinking?
 
idunno said:
By the by Linda Goodman once said we are 80% our Sun sign. I think we are 80% or close our rising sign. There are exceptions but....:boxedin:
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Best keep that 20% space for wriggle room eh? ;)

... and best to have "exceptions" to fall back on just in case ... :rolleyes:
 
kieran said:
... and if it doesn't, will you just look around for another excuse why it doesn't work? Will you insist on a pointless tweak to the previously agreed protocol? What would it take to convince you that it is just guessing and wishful thinking?
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no, the exception i mentioned already, is when there is also a planet in the rising sign.:) no excuses
 
idunno, I saw that article, but I didn't pay for it. You're violating those people's copyrights by posting it here.

However, there's not much there. The most likely explanation is that Knegt was a cheater. There's simply not enough information to tell if this is true or not. It does not appear that the tests were blind, so this could also be confirmation bias.
 
ChristineR said:
idunno, I saw that article, but I didn't pay for it. You're violating those people's copyrights by posting it here.

However, there's not much there. The most likely explanation is that Knegt was a cheater. There's simply not enough information to tell if this is true or not. It does not appear that the tests were blind, so this could also be confirmation bias.
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i was unable to post the link cause its in Adobe file, apparently.
You can also see the article in www.astrology-and-science.com i think, and i was allowed by Rudolf to send it to forums, so no problema there:)
 
idunno said:
[Van Rossem’s verdict:] A stri kin g ly cor rect in ter pre ta tion, wit hout fail ures, not one blun der.
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What's with this? Do astrologers have trouble with words of more than one syllable?

Or is Van Rossem a Dalek?
 
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Tricky said:
I submitted a protocol to you as have others. You have not followed up on them. The ball is in your court.
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Here's an idea:

3 people provide their birthdates/times/whatever data is needed for a chart. This should be provided in the thread.

idunno can then cast these dates and make the three horoscopes. DO not post them here, however. Instead, we should have a third party identified as the "escrow holder". The three horoscopes are sent to him, labelled with the names of who they belong to. He, in turn, will remove the names (relabelling them A,B,C) and send the three out to each of the three birthday providers. Each provider will review the three, and send the escrow holder the letter for the one they feel matches them most closely. The escrow holder can then post the results.

Of course, three people is not really a significant sample size, but it's a start on a baseline for the protocol, in an online form.

ETA: Actually, MichaelC's idea of keeping even the birthdates anonymous is a good one. Otherwise, there's an oppurtunity for research into the poster to make a horoscope more accurate. HAve to rule out all possibilities for error or deciet.

The holder also needs to scan the readings to remove any references to planetary positions or anything else that might give information as to which date the reading is for. The final horoscopes should contain only character traits. Even predicitions and/or postdictions could give hints as to the age of the person it is for.
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you talking about this?
i need you folks to send the birthdata:eye-poppi
 
idunno said:
Here's an idea:

3 people provide their birthdates/times/whatever data is needed for a chart. This should be provided in the thread.

idunno can then cast these dates and make the three horoscopes. DO not post them here, however. Instead, we should have a third party identified as the "escrow holder". The three horoscopes are sent to him, labelled with the names of who they belong to. He, in turn, will remove the names (relabelling them A,B,C) and send the three out to each of the three birthday providers. Each provider will review the three, and send the escrow holder the letter for the one they feel matches them most closely. The escrow holder can then post the results.

Of course, three people is not really a significant sample size, but it's a start on a baseline for the protocol, in an online form.

ETA: Actually, MichaelC's idea of keeping even the birthdates anonymous is a good one. Otherwise, there's an oppurtunity for research into the poster to make a horoscope more accurate. HAve to rule out all possibilities for error or deciet.

The holder also needs to scan the readings to remove any references to planetary positions or anything else that might give information as to which date the reading is for. The final horoscopes should contain only character traits. Even predicitions and/or postdictions could give hints as to the age of the person it is for.
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you talking about this?
i need you folks to send the birthdata:eye-poppi
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I will be glad to be the escrow holder, but I know a little too much about astrology to be one of the subjects. Ideally, the subjects should have no more than a passing knowledge of western astrology so that they won't be subject to confirmation bias.

Okay folks, if anyone wants to play, send me your birthdate/time/location by PM.
 
Tricky said:
I will be glad to be the escrow holder, but I know a little too much about astrology to be one of the subjects. Ideally, the subjects should have no more than a passing knowledge of western astrology so that they won't be subject to confirmation bias.

Okay folks, if anyone wants to play, send me your birthdate by PM.
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I believe that drkitten had previously volunteered, and had even received one or more sets of birth data.
 
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