Over Unity is No Longer Disputable

JoeEllison said:
Your speaker-buying ability doesn't have anything to do with your propensity to believe in nonsense.
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Actually, it may be directly related, if he bought them from a couple of guys in a van who happened to have been sent out on a delivery run with an extra set of speakers...
 
g4macdad said:
See you miss the whole picture. This is due to your arrogance.

Even if these pendulums are the energy source this device is truly extraordinary. Pendulums have never had the ability to do work for this length of time (other than a foucault, which is not practical due to it's size).

Try looking around for another device that can do anything even close to what we see this thing doing. The only thing that would make this device less impressive would be discovering that it is a hoax.
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A pendulum is just energy storage.
The amount of energy it stores at any given time is given by
mgh +1/2 mv^2

where m is the mass of the pendulum, h is its altitude above the low point of its swing, v is its velocity, and g is acceleration due to gravity.

That's it. There isn't any more energy in that pendulum than any other pendulum of that length and mass in that gravitational field.

The amount of time that a particular amount of energy can do work is determined by the rate at which it is used, or the power.
Apparently, it's a very low friction device that doesn't use much power.
Why would you find that astounding?

In terms of craftsmanship, it may be quite an achievement. As far as the physics goes, it's trivial.
 
cyborg said:
You know it's got to be times like this when people like g4macdad wish there was an 'ignore' button they could use on reality.
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To be honest, I thought that he had found it, and it was the source of this entire thread.
 
TjW said:
A pendulum is just energy storage.
The amount of energy it stores at any given time is given by
mgh +1/2 mv^2

where m is the mass of the pendulum, h is its altitude above the low point of its swing, v is its velocity, and g is acceleration due to gravity.

That's it. There isn't any more energy in that pendulum than any other pendulum of that length and mass in that gravitational field.

The amount of time that a particular amount of energy can do work is determined by the rate at which it is used, or the power.
Apparently, it's a very low friction device that doesn't use much power.
Why would you find that astounding?

In terms of craftsmanship, it may be quite an achievement. As far as the physics goes, it's trivial.
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So, Finsrud's achievement is trivial? How about Milkovic?

Trivial too, next to your great achievements? :rolleyes:
 
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g4macdad said:
So, Finsrud's achievement is trivial? How about Milkovic?

Trivial too, next to your great achievements? :rolleyes:
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Yes.

Now I have a question:
What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?
 
joobz said:
Yes.

Now I have a question:
What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?
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You can find video of Milkovic demonstrating a normal pendulum's capability.

This should help the people here understand how ignorant they are with there pendulum power source claim.

A general question: How can one displaying interest in over-unity, but having no money invested, be a sucker?

The idea I am conveying is that no laws need to be broken for OU to be acheived. There are surely undiscovered energy sources in existance.

I have no money invested in Steorn. If they are discovered to be a fraud then I won't be able to deny it. As soon as someone has the breaking news let us all know.:cool:
 
Do you know what I'm wondering?

What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?
 
g4macdad said:
You can find video of Milkovic demonstrating a normal pendulum's capability.

This should help the people here understand how ignorant they are with there pendulum power source claim.
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TjW said:
A pendulum is just energy storage.
The amount of energy it stores at any given time is given by
mgh +1/2 mv^2

where m is the mass of the pendulum, h is its altitude above the low point of its swing, v is its velocity, and g is acceleration due to gravity.
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How is this ignorance?

g4macdad said:
A general question: How can one displaying interest in over-unity, but having no money invested, be a sucker?
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It's the persistence in belief, time after time, after you've been proved wrong, that identifies you as such.

The idea I am conveying is that no laws need to be broken for OU to be acheived.
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False, by definition. The First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics are broken.

There are surely undiscovered energy sources in existance.
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Possibly true, though unlikely. But how does that relate to over-unity devices?

I have no money invested in Steorn. If they are discovered to be a fraud then I won't be able to deny it. As soon as someone has the breaking news let us all know.:cool:
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Breaking news: Steorn still have yet to demonstrate their device, and your crow awaits.
 
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I cannot believe the JREF "skeptics". This thread is rapidly on its way to twelve pages, and not one of you members of the organized skeptical movement have nailed down what the real question is here:


What claim has the inventor made, and what evidence has he provided to support this claim?

Do I have to do all your thinking for you? Harrumph!
 
g4macdad said:
The idea I am conveying is that no laws need to be broken for OU to be acheived. There are surely undiscovered energy sources in existance.
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So when the overwhelming majority of scientists say that the laws of physics will be broken by OU and that OU cannot exist, are they

1) part of a conspiracy to discredit OU researchers and their theories,
2) completely ignorant of what constitutes an unbreakable law,
3) simply echoing what they have heard other scientists say,
or
4) something else?
 
g4macdad said:
You can find video of Milkovic demonstrating a normal pendulum's capability.
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What's a "normal" pendulum?

g4macdad said:
The idea I am conveying is that no laws need to be broken for OU to be acheived. There are surely undiscovered energy sources in existance.
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This is a rather foolish thing to say.
1.) No one denies completely the possibility that unknown sources of energy may exist. You are wrong here.
2.) If other energy sources exist, they would be subject to THE EXACT SAME LAWS OF CONSERVATION!!!!
 
Ladewig said:
So when the overwhelming majority of scientists say that the laws of physics will be broken by OU and that OU cannot exist, are they

1) part of a conspiracy to discredit OU researchers and their theories,
2) completely ignorant of what constitutes an unbreakable law,
3) simply echoing what they have heard other scientists say,
or
4) something else?
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Damn you are right! The overwhelming majority of "scientists" have never been shown to be wrong!:boggled:
 
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