carlson test and debunking randi

[idunno]

Astrologer Hitler? Has the JREF forum become a haven for rejected comic book villains?

im no longer Hitler
Now i am ME at age 6

 

[Locknar]

---good astrologer--tells your personality in detail and possibly the kind of situations youll get in.

So is this what you are claiming wrt what astrology does? Or still to tough a question to answer?

 

[idunno]

So is this what you are claiming wrt what astrology does? Or still to tough a question to answer?

yep. did you expect more?

 

[Locknar]

yep. did you expect more?

Nope...that works for me.

So....the next questions would be, define "detail"....and how would you suggest testing as far as test set up, protocol, and what you would need, and what would be the criteria for "sucess"?

 

[Tricky]

this is where it gets tricky.According to some astrologers but not all, some ~sagitarians are very extrovert, others the more introvert philosofical type, like winter fire. they can either be physical travellers or mental travellers

Which astrologers are right? How do you determine which ones are right? How can this be tested?

 

[idunno]

Nope...that works for me.

So....the next questions would be, define "detail"....and how would you suggest testing as far as test set up, protocol, and what you would need, and what would be the criteria for "sucess"?

The opposite of vague. how do you define vague?

 

[idunno]

Which astrologers are right? How do you determine which ones are right? How can this be tested?

Hmmm!! By testing...

 

[Locknar]

The opposite of vague. how do you define vague?

I'm not the one making the claim. You claim that astrology "tells your personality in detail", so I am asking you to define what that means.

What would you suggest as a test, what would be the evaluation criteria to determine "sucess"?

 

[idunno]

I'm not the one making the claim. You claim that astrology "tells your personality in detail", so I am asking you to define what that means.

What would you suggest as a test, what would be the evaluation criteria to determine "sucess"?

next time youll be asking to define «defining personality in detailed details»

 

[Locknar]

next time youll be asking to define «defining personality in detailed details»

Why the avoidance? It is your claim, I am simply asking you to define/elaborate on it.

It would be like me saying I can recite Pi in perfect detail; "3" - hardly a "detailed" reciting by most peoples definition.

 

[idunno]

Why the avoidance? It is your claim, I am simply asking you to define/elaborate on it.

It would be like me saying I can recite Pi in perfect detail; "3" - hardly a "detailed" reciting by most peoples definition.

detailed:
-you are organized
- extrovert
-spontaneous
-formal
-shy
-versatile
-moody

or...your sun in capricorn makes you want to be taken seriously but your gemini joker persona makes people think they shoulnt listen to you which annoys you deeply

need i say more?

 

[Locknar]

detailed:
-you are organized
- extrovert
-spontaneous
-formal
-shy
-versatile
-moody

or...your sun in capricorn makes you want to be taken seriously but your gemini joker persona makes people think they shoulnt listen to you which annoys you deeply

need i say more?

Humm….those are examples, not a definition. Let’s table that for now….

How about we define “personality”; can we agree on the definition that “personality” is the totality of qualities and traits, as of character or behavior, that are peculiar to a specific person? (as taken from the American Heritage Dictionary, 2006)

If we can agree on that, then “detailed” would imply enough information wrt a specific person in terms of traits, character or behavior. Yes? No?

 

[idunno]

Humm….those are examples, not a definition. Let’s table that for now….

How about we define “personality”; can we agree on the definition that “personality” is the totality of qualities and traits, as of character or behavior, that are peculiar to a specific person? (as taken from the American Heritage Dictionary, 2006)

If we can agree on that, then “detailed” would imply enough information wrt a specific person in terms of traits, character or behavior. Yes? No?

i suppose so

 

[Bob2038]

detailed:
-you are organized
- extrovert
-spontaneous
-formal
-shy
-versatile
-moody

or...your sun in capricorn makes you want to be taken seriously but your gemini joker persona makes people think they shoulnt listen to you which annoys you deeply

need i say more?

What is a shy extrovert like?

 

[Locknar]

i suppose so

A simple yes or no if you please; you agree to the definitions as presented?

 

[idunno]

A simple yes or no if you please; you agree to the definitions as presented?

YES

 

[Locknar]

YES

Well...how would you suggest testing your claim (given the agreed upon deifiitoins)? What would determin sucess/failure?

It's your claim, and you said you wanted to do a test...so you really need to start the process and provide some concept/ideas.

 

[Tricky]

What is a shy extrovert like?

He hires somebody to be gregarious for him.

 

[idunno]

He hires somebody to be gregarious for him.

or talks to the mirror

 

[ChristineR]

A shy extrovert would be somebody who seeks out the company of others and defines himself by his relationships with others, yet feels embarrassed and uncomfortable doing so.

It would be like being devoted to a hobby you don't enjoy, but at least it would be possible. It also shows you why you can't give someone a horoscope and ask them how accurate it is. It's too subjective. I can't think of any way of testing astrology that doesn't involve comparing one group of horoscopes to some sort of know data. The two cases we suggested are personality tests or questionnaires and simply asking people which horoscopes they like.