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carlson test and debunking randi

idunno said:
it happens that i learned astrology, so, i can test it if you allow it...:D
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Ah...is that what you were doing; testing. Umm....testing what? Looking though the thread, i didn't see where you claimed or otherwise defined what you were testing...kind of the first step in the whole "testing" thing.

What is it you claim that Astrology does, what is it you claim to be able to do with it (Astrology)?
 
Locknar said:
Ah...is that what you were doing; testing. Umm....testing what? Looking though the thread, i didn't see where you claimed or otherwise defined what you were testing...kind of the first step in the whole "testing" thing.

What is it you claim that Astrology does, what is it you claim to be able to do with it (Astrology)?
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im still testing what it can do:D :boxedin: :boxedin: :eek: :eye-poppi :eye-poppi
 
idunno,

  • Why are asteroids and nodes "crap"?

  • How do you distinguish a horoscope from a self-fulfilled prophecy?

  • If you are no expert, how are you capable of spotting who has studied astrology and who has not?

  • How do we know which astrologers are among the 5% that "really know their business"?

  • How did you come to that number?

  • Why are astrologies other than "European tropical" wrong?
 
idunno said:
im still testing what it can do:D :boxedin: :boxedin: :eek: :eye-poppi :eye-poppi
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Without a premise, hypothesis, or otherwise defined goal you can not possibly test anything.

What you are doing is avoiding simple questions, clouding the issue, and otherwise being intellectually dishonest. At least Arthur Chadbourne is funny; you can’t even make that claim.

Being knowledgeable on Astrology, as you claim, you must have some idea or premise as to what it does.
 
is it possible astrology appear to work because people identify to some extent with the archtypes all signs represent?

in any case i use the gemini ascendant archteypt(journalist) more often than the people i see in forums:)
 
CFLarsen said:
idunno,
  • Why are asteroids and nodes "crap"?
  • How do you distinguish a horoscope from a self-fulfilled prophecy?
  • If you are no expert, how are you capable of spotting who has studied astrology and who has not?
  • How do we know which astrologers are among the 5% that "really know their business"?
  • How did you come to that number?
  • Why are astrologies other than "European tropical" wrong?
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- dont know
- dont know
- im no expertt in the sense that i havent done many professional readings, but when an astrologer reaches similar conclusions as i regarding my own chart take iit he is good
- hard to explain to ignorants of astrology
-its james youngs number and looks almost accurate to me
- they arent. I use Bazi, 9 star ki, Zi Wei...
 
Locknar said:
Without a premise, hypothesis, or otherwise defined goal you can not possibly test anything.

What you are doing is avoiding simple questions, clouding the issue, and otherwise being intellectually dishonest. At least Arthur Chadbourne is funny; you can’t even make that claim.

Being knowledgeable on Astrology, as you claim, you must have some idea or premise as to what it does.
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since i learned from books and some contradict each other, i have to find out by myself.
being unregulated, astrology is often victim of charlatans, anyone can claim to be an astrologer, create a fake diploma, you know what...
 
idunno said:
since i learned from books and some contradict each other, i have to find out by myself.
being unregulated, astrology is often victim of charlatans, anyone can claim to be an astrologer, create a fake diploma, you know what...
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Humm....I would have to say you are 100% right in that, given the lack of definition, anyone can claim to be an astrologer.

I simply do not understand your avoidance, other then to assume it is the typical defense of the woo woo’s.

So to clarify:
- You are "testing" what Astrology does
- You have no idea what Astrology does
- You are gathering information, and unbiased in terms of the validity of Astrology
- You are not James Young (though write first person as if you are, because of time constraints)
 
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idunno said:
- dont know
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Yet, you said that asteroids and nodes were "crap".

idunno said:
- dont know
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In which case, you cannot claim that astrology works.

idunno said:
- im no expertt in the sense that i havent done many professional readings, but when an astrologer reaches similar conclusions as i regarding my own chart take iit he is good
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You can't draw that conclusion. It could also be the case that:

1) Other astrologers are as bad as you.

or

2) The interpretations of the horoscopes are so vague that they will look alike.

idunno said:
- hard to explain to ignorants of astrology
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I told you: I am not "ignorant of astrology". You also got some pretty smart and pretty knowledgable people here. I am sure you won't find it hard to explain.

idunno said:
-its james youngs number and looks almost accurate to me
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Why does it look "almost accurate" to you? What other numbers do you have, and how did you come by them?

idunno said:
- they arent. I use Bazi, 9 star ki, Zi Wei...
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Yet, you said that other astrologies than "European tropical" were "wrong".
 
CFLarsen said:
Yet, you said that asteroids and nodes were "crap".

--- thats my opinion



In which case, you cannot claim that astrology works.

----i dont make any claims



You can't draw that conclusion. It could also be the case that:

1) Other astrologers are as bad as you.

---maybe

or

2) The interpretations of the horoscopes are so vague that they will look alike.

---not all are vague



I told you: I am not "ignorant of astrology". You also got some pretty smart and pretty knowledgable people here. I am sure you won't find it hard to explain.

---ok



Why does it look "almost accurate" to you? What other numbers do you have, and how did you come by them?

---experience. there are lots of sites where they clçaim to do your chart for a fee but its all done by software



Yet, you said that other astrologies than "European tropical" were "wrong".
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----i said i used european tropical not sideral. That has nothing to do with bazi and zi wei, which are chinese which normally agree with each other but show different aspects of peoples life.Zi wei shows travel but bazi doesnt:rolleyes:
 
idunno said:
----i said i used european tropical not sideral. That has nothing to do with bazi and zi wei, which are chinese which normally agree with each other but show different aspects of peoples life.Zi wei shows travel but bazi doesnt:rolleyes:
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If you are using tropical coordinates, how do you translate from the USNO sidereal values?
 
idunno said:
i dont translate anything. i either do it with a software or use an Ephemeris book. :eye-poppi
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You claimed you were using tropical coordinates to create your charts. Most public ephemerides are published in sidereal coordinates. You would have to translate from one system to another to get an accurate chart, or else there will be errors. I do not know what software program you are using, so I cannot comment on the accuracy. In addition, if you are using software to generate birth charts, how do you know the programmer knew what they were doing? You are simply taking their word that they are using the algorithms they are claiming to use. Unless you can generate a chart manually, you are simply relying on someone else's math, which gets you right back to square one in terms of determining accuracy.

I am going to go out on a limb here and claim that you are not the best person to be judging claims of astrologers, as I am not sure you know enough about the field.
 
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Hokulele said:
You claimed you were using tropical coordinates to create your charts. Most public ephemerides are published in sidereal coordinates. You would have to translate from one system to another to get an accurate chart, or else there will be errors. I do not know what software program you are using, so I cannot comment on the accuracy. In addition, if you are using software to generate birth charts, how do you know the programmer knew what they were doing? You are simply taking their word that they are using the algorithms they are claiming to use. Unless you can generate a chart manually, you are simply relying on someone else's math, which gets you right back to square one in terms of determining accuracy.

I am going to go out on a limb here and claim that you are not the best person to be judging claims of astrologers, as I am not sure you know enough about the field.
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My GOD!!! THERE ARE MANY TROPICAL EPHEMERIDS OUT THERE IN BOOKSHOPS!!!
tHERE ARE MANY SOFTWARES...ASTRO.COM...WOW...YOU CAN GET YOUR CHART FOR FREE IN MANY SITES. HOW COME YOURE SO IGNORANT?
 
idunno said:
My GOD!!! THERE ARE MANY TROPICAL EPHEMERIDS OUT THERE IN BOOKSHOPS!!!
tHERE ARE MANY SOFTWARES...ASTRO.COM...WOW...YOU CAN GET YOUR CHART FOR FREE IN MANY SITES. HOW COME YOURE SO IGNORANT?
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Stop yelling, it doesn't make your point any stronger.

You were the one who claimed to be using the USNO ephemeris, not me. If you cannot tell the difference between a tropical ephemeris and a sidereal, what other parts of astrology might you be missing?

Also, you claimed that only 5% of astrologers knew what they were doing. How do you know what percent of these free sites you mention are accurate? If you cannot create your own charts, how can you criticize others? Isn't this exactly what you were accusing skeptics of doing, judging without expertise?
 
Hokulele said:
Stop yelling, it doesn't make your point any stronger.

You were the one who claimed to be using the USNO ephemeris, not me. If you cannot tell the difference between a tropical ephemeris and a sidereal, what other parts of astrology might you be missing?

Also, you claimed that only 5% of astrologers knew what they were doing. How do you know what percent of these free sites you mention are accurate? If you cannot create your own charts, how can you criticize others? Isn't this exactly what you were accusing skeptics of doing, judging without expertise?
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my book says it is based on USNO thats all.
i can create my own charts but thats no longer necessary.It hasnt been necessary since around 1990 for chris sake.
Youre bloody nitpicky arent you?
Youre so bogged down that you dont understand what I say.:mad:
 
I asked you more than once why a simple best match test could not determine whether or not astrology is valid. Yet now you tell us that you don't know enough astrology to determine whether or it is valid. So perhaps the reason all astrologers have failed the tests is because they don't know the difference between a tropical ephemeris and a sidereal. (I haven't a foggy notion myself, for what that's worth.)

Or perhaps it's because the whole thing is bogus. But I'm not clear why I should be listening to you at all now.
 
Hokulele - You are wasting your time; I tend to agree with you that idunno is not the expert he claims to be. Not only can't he answer your question, he can't even say what astrology is, or what he is "testing" by doing bogus horoscopes.

ChristineR - Astrology bogus? NO WAY! :)
 
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