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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Regarding my position in respect to fossil remains.

They would be proof that a bigfoot-like creature once existed in North America. They would be reliable evidence that today's bigfoot may not be a myth.

ETA: If anyone can show me how fossil remains could consist in proof that bigfeet are real creatures that are currently living in North America, I would be delighted to hear.
 
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I like when you whine about your Diogenes quote signature

Who's whining??

I'm happy to post his statement, and I'm glad he said it.

Let's take another look at it....and see just how OPEN Greg's mind truly is...:) ...

"I am not aware of ANY evidence which indicates with ANY DEGREE ( 0%)
of likeliness, however small (0%), that Bigfoot creatures exist...ANYWHERE in the world."

Please don't mistake my bringing people's attention to his closed-minded 'weighing of the evidence' as whining.

I'm pleased :D as punch to use it!
It has such a....what's the phrase....."closed-minded" :covereyes ....sound to it, doesn't it?!


 
You know, ad homs are not a substitute for evidence and reasoning when it comes to dialogues.

They will not obfuscate the dodging of questions and the weakness of the cause.
 
Sweaty, even if we accept your position on Greg's statement as correct, he only said he was not aware.

He did not say the evidence doesn't exist, or couldn't exist, or that his mind could not be changed, or that he wouldn't look at evidence...
 
You know, ad homs are not a substitute for evidence and reasoning when it comes to dialogues.

They will not obfuscate the dodging of questions and the weakness of the cause.

Actually, Correa....I'm dodging this board. :)

I've only been posting here lately to enlighten Luminous....which I'm sure I have.
I've made my points concerning the skeptics here, and that's all I needed to do.

Have a good day, sir!
And don't forget to ask....."where's the proof?" :D
 
Actually, Correa....I'm dodging this board. :)

I've only been posting here lately to enlighten Luminous....which I'm sure I have.
I've made my points concerning the skeptics here, and that's all I needed to do.

Have a good day, sir!
And don't forget to ask....."where's the proof?" :D
Ah, ah, ah. Liar, liar. If you were really posting only for one person's benefit then you could have accomplished everything by pm as you indicated before. Your motives are pretty transparent. That's ok, if anybody didn't know you were a troll, they do now. And thank you for making it so easy to show.
 
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Sweaty, is it possible you could switch over to maybe Nessie research or chupacabra research? You're embarrassing bigfoot research. Honestly. You're trolling like there's no tomorrow and it's shameful.
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Why do you insist on trolling this forum and insulting everyone? I just don't get it. They don't agree with your point of view. It doesn't give you license to beat everyone verbally over the head and call them fools.
 
It's good that you apologized and maybe you might think it's asking to much but there's more than a few highly insulting statements you've made that I really wish you'd retract. I think that would go a long way in making it easy for people to start fresh with. Because I'm quite sure that nothing of the kind ever took place can you provide a link to a post from when you first logged on where you felt someone was behaving immaturely or engaging in disingenuous tactics as opposed to objectively trying to address the issues with you?

Here is your fifth post on this forum and your second post in a bigfoot thread which for me dictated the manner in which I would address you thereafter:

Despite what someone like Sweaty might try to imply otherwise, I don't take issue with someone unless they take a tone that warrants it, regardless of what they're talking about, orbs included. IMO, the above post was rude, arrogant, provocative, and highly presumptuous.

Also, you asked to be shown just one suit and Correa showed you many. IMO, intellectually honest would have been to say, "oh wow, there are suits even from much earlier that display the features I'm talking about." Instead, you engaged in moving the goal posts by talking about cost. Nevermind intellectual honesty, for the sake of courtesy and adult conduct I would have also said something to the effect of, "ok, I said you can't show me because they don't exist. I was being presumptuous and arrogant. I'm sorry."

Luminous, I'll spare you a long story but when I first came here I defined myself as a fence-sitter but was still in many ways deeply a proponent. I came here to learn and to see just what evidence could withstand objective scrutiny. I'd be lying if I said I didn't look forward to taking on some Pooh Pooh scoffers, too. I became skeptical not because the majority here were but simply because all the things that I felt might have a chance of being reliable evidence fell apart after being pursued and objectively examined. I didn't last as long as I did here before becoming completely skeptical by berating people. When I first came I familiarized myself with the discussion and the people participating and made an effort to be mindful of their experience, how long and how in-depth they've been examining the phenomenon. If you'd really like to discuss the evidence objectively and enjoy yourself here, I recommend you do similar. If you just want to talk with fellow believers than there's nothing to stop you from going back to the BFF. However, I don't think that's why you're here. Why do you think you're here.

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No matter how nice I am, there will always be some who dislike me. That's a fact of life. But I did say some provocative things to some here, but so did others. I could link back to a handful who I felt were being disingenuous and playing games. But that would not be profitable to anyone at this point.

As I said before, I stand by my description of the tactics and immature behaviors I witnessed when I first got here. That list of tactics and games I typed up is very important. Everyone, including me, can be reminded what NOT to do by studying them. Since they are beneficial in that regard, I will continue to promote them.

But I officially retract any of my statements that were unjustly directed at any specific individual.

As for going back and trying to find every statement I made is a bit much to ask. Besides I'm still of the opinion that there is a great deal of immaturity displayed here, and that there are some who I can't consider a true skeptic because of their tendency to prefer adrenalin-filled, heated arguments over a sound and stable debate. I'm sure you understand what I am talking about here. I'd be very surprised if you haven't witnessed what I am talking about.

I'm not going to name names because that wouldn't be right. In fact, as I get to know folks one-by-one, maybe I'll find that I was wrong about some of them. Then again, it may turn out I was right too. I don't feel the need to apologize to anyone who displayed hostility toward me when I arrived. Again, I'm not going to name names, but they know all too well who they are.

But I'll do my best to keep my assessment of the behaviors I witnessed generic, so that no one is singled out. Only the list of the tactics I witnessed will remain. I think that everyone can stand to learn how NOT to behave here, including me.

My description of how a true skeptic behaves should remain as well. As I said, true skeptics don't use school-yard tactics. They can have a mature and civil debate without the "drama" of unnecessary emotional baggage. You can actually "shake hands" (so to speak) when you're done and peacefully go on to debate another day.

In fact, I am friends right now with someone who is diametrically opposed to my worldview. We have some tremendous discussions about our differing beliefs and we challenge each other without the use of any of the immature tactics I listed earlier. We haven't fought once. I can't speak for her, but I learn something new every time I'm with her. I consider her my closest friend in fact.

Why do I think I'm here? Mainly because I wanted to discuss the Bigfoot phenomenon with a strong mix of proponents and mature skeptics. Not with people who just like to be contrary for the sake of it. And definitely not with people who are addicted to the adrenalin "high" of starting and observing heated arguments and personal attacks. IMO this type of person is not a true skeptic. They're just here to push people's buttons and stir the ****.

This is simple semantics, but I didn't come here to argue, I came here to debate. (Yes, I know debates contain arguments, but the kinds of arguments that I'm describing are the idiotic kind you see on Jerry Springer. That's definitely NOT what I'm here for.) Please don't ask me to show you an example of a "Springer" argument on the board. I'm just using Springer as an extreme example of what the kind of arguments or attitudes that are not welcomed or tolerated by me.

Kit,

I just read your post again. Alright, since you're being so civil about things, I'll go back and try to find any unnecessary statements that may have been denigrating to anyone and I'll take responsibility for them and apologize. Let me know if i miss any.
 
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Sweaty, is it possible you could switch over to maybe Nessie research or chupacabra research? You're embarrassing bigfoot research. Honestly. You're trolling like there's no tomorrow and it's shameful.[qimg]http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/user/ignat_01.gif[/qimg] Why do you insist on trolling this forum and insulting everyone? I just don't get it. They don't agree with your point of view. It doesn't give you license to beat everyone verbally over the head and call them fools.

Teresa, you forgot to mention Lu's regular support and mutual adoration voiced here on JREF. Maybe Sweety would not be compelled to troll if he didn't have this cheering section in North Carolina. Yeah, he might be enabled and motivated here because LAL just loves him to death.

It must be frustrating for strong Bigfoot believers that like to post in a skeptic forum to continue day-after-day with no real ability to show that Bigfoot is not a myth. Each passing day without a confirmation might compel some to ramp up the argumentative fervor until it looks like an ad-hom frenzy. When you have no way to show that this thing exists, it's best to just fling mud at the skeptics. In the complete absence of any specimen, you can satisfy your inner belief conviction by screwing with those who think it doesn't exist. Any little imagined victory starts to look like support for the reality of Bigfoot. I'm telling you that the animal itself is besides the point for some people... and instead the banging on skeptics is where it's all at. It's as if Bigfoot lives when skeptics can be killed by any means (intellectually honest debate or otherwise). Cheating or trolling is always fair play because they just know that this creature exists after all. They are praying for a confirmation, because then they will never have to apologize for any previous improprieties of argument and engagement.
 
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Sweaty, is it possible you could switch over to maybe Nessie research or chupacabra research? You're embarrassing bigfoot research. Honestly. You're trolling like there's no tomorrow and it's shameful.[qimg]http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/user/ignat_01.gif[/qimg] Why do you insist on trolling this forum and insulting everyone? I just don't get it. They don't agree with your point of view. It doesn't give you license to beat everyone verbally over the head and call them fools.

What's your agenda Teresa? You came over here to promote a radio show, and then you turn and take a nip at Sweaty. (I'm sure there are many here who would like to take a nip at him too, and will applaud your snipe.) But he has been kind toward me and I really appreciate that about him. If you want to talk about Bigfoot, let's talk. The last thing bigfoot skeptics need to see is one Bigfoot proponent attacking another Bigfoot proponent. There are so few of us here as it is. You are in no way "over" him, therefore you should not be admonishing him as if you were.
 
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Sweaty, is it possible you could switch over to maybe Nessie research or chupacabra research? You're embarrassing bigfoot research. Honestly. You're trolling like there's no tomorrow and it's shameful.http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/user/ignat_01.gif Why do you insist on trolling this forum and insulting everyone? I just don't get it. They don't agree with your point of view. It doesn't give you license to beat everyone verbally over the head and call them fools.

When someone looks at a still frame which clearly shows a hand, with fingers, and says "I don't see any fingers" :covereyes .....they are fully entitled to be called a "fool".
They are, in fact, entitled to be called something more than just a "fool"...but I refrained from the temptation to do so.

I've been doing more analysis of the MD video on another board....not your's and Melissa's board...and been recieving very positive comments from the members there.....including a skeptic, Shane, who has complimented my work with the stills and animations, while not "seeing" enough to make him lean towards the video being legit. Lately, though, his view of the video has changed....for the better. ;)

Feel free to call my analysis anything you like, Teresa. You're also free to make any counter-arguments to what I've been posting on the other board. I haven't seen any from you, though.

I haven't been posting here, lately, to 'discuss the evidence'....that's true.
I stated that openly. That doesn't make me a troll.....a troll is someone who disguises their motives for posting.

I was simply trying to save Luminous, and Lu also, a lot of wasted time, and mental effort.......as I plainly, openly, and honestly stated.
 
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No matter how nice I am, there will always be some who dislike me...
Tell you what, fair enough. I don't think I can ask for much more. I too had a very dear friend who was diametrically opposed in terms of our world views but benefitted greatly from debates. I still very much disagree with what you think goes on here but I'll let you figure that out for yourself. By all means, take your time getting familiar with the people on this board and when you have some free time just randomly click on various points of any of massive bf threads we have here. Just stay away from William Parcher, he's bat$#!% insane. And watchout for Diogenes and LTC8K6, they got this freaky uniform thing going on. Creepy. Uh, mind Correa, he's a foreigner. Oh yes, drapier... tetanus. Definitely cross the street if you see tube coming, the guy has no hair. Also, give Ray G a wide berth, he's very wide. Shoulders like Patty. Other than that you should be okay except for the odd Scotsman or firearm enthusiast.
 
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Actually, Correa....I'm dodging this board. :)

I've only been posting here lately to enlighten Luminous....which I'm sure I have.
I've made my points concerning the skeptics here, and that's all I needed to do.

Have a good day, sir!
And don't forget to ask....."where's the proof?" :D
The evidence available (frequency and content of your posts) indicate that you are actually here because its a very tolerant place. Such a behavior at other forums where bigfoot is discussed would result in warnings, suspensions and an eventual banning.

Your transparent tactics will not obfuscate your complete incapacity to present reliable evidence and sound reasonings to back your claims. Have no illusions, kid. No one is being disturbed by your posts. The folks here are just playing the "poke-the-troll" game with you...

Have a good day.
 
Kit,

I just read your post again. Alright, since you're being so civil about things, I'll go back and try to find any unnecessary statements that may have been denigrating to anyone and I'll take responsibility for them and apologize. Let me know if i miss any.
Fantastic!:) That's very big of you and I applaud your making the effort. I think you may like this place more than you expected. I look forward to discussing the bigfoot phenomenom with you in a courteous way.
 
What's your agenda Teresa? You came over here to promote a radio show, and then you turn and take a nip at Sweaty. (I'm sure there are many here who would like to take a nip at him too, and will applaud your snipe.) But he has been kind toward me and I really appreciate that about him. If you want to talk about Bigfoot, let's talk. The last thing bigfoot skeptics need to see is one Bigfoot proponent attacking another Bigfoot proponent. There are so few of us here as it is. You are in no way "over" him, therefore you should not be admonishing him as if you were.
Just so you know, Teresa is not exactly a believer. She is however, very familiar with Sweaty's shenanigans here and elsewhere. She's right, speaking as a former proponent, Sweaty does them no favours. I can appreciate your being grateful for Sweaty being nice to you but he has well earned his reputation here. Sweaty hasn't had much luck on proponent boards as well as this skeptic board. Teresa, on the other hand, is one of the best proponents you'll find anywhere and bigfootery would do well to have more people like her.
 
I haven't been posting here, lately, to 'discuss the evidence'....that's true.
I stated that openly. That doesn't make me a troll.....a troll is someone who disguises their motives for posting.

I was simply trying to save Luminous, and Lu also, a lot of wasted time, and mental effort.......as I plainly, openly, and honestly stated.
So then if I find a post which is directed neither to Luminous or Lu and is clear evidence that you are not 'dodging the board' as you referred to it, then you will admit to being dishonest and disguising your motives?
 
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