It's good that you apologized and maybe you might think it's asking to much but there's more than a few highly insulting statements you've made that I really wish you'd retract. I think that would go a long way in making it easy for people to start fresh with. Because I'm quite sure that nothing of the kind ever took place can you provide a link to a post from when you first logged on where you felt someone was behaving immaturely or engaging in disingenuous tactics as opposed to objectively trying to address the issues with you?
Here is your fifth post on this forum and your second post in a bigfoot thread which for me dictated the manner in which I would address you thereafter:
Despite what someone like Sweaty might try to imply otherwise, I don't take issue with someone unless they take a tone that warrants it, regardless of what they're talking about, orbs included. IMO, the above post was rude, arrogant, provocative, and highly presumptuous.
Also, you asked to be shown just one suit and Correa showed you many. IMO, intellectually honest would have been to say, "oh wow, there are suits even from much earlier that display the features I'm talking about." Instead, you engaged in moving the goal posts by talking about cost. Nevermind intellectual honesty, for the sake of courtesy and adult conduct I would have also said something to the effect of, "ok, I said you can't show me because they don't exist. I was being presumptuous and arrogant. I'm sorry."
Luminous, I'll spare you a long story but when I first came here I defined myself as a fence-sitter but was still in many ways deeply a proponent. I came here to learn and to see just what evidence could withstand objective scrutiny. I'd be lying if I said I didn't look forward to taking on some Pooh Pooh scoffers, too. I became skeptical not because the majority here were but simply because all the things that I felt might have a chance of being reliable evidence fell apart after being pursued and objectively examined. I didn't last as long as I did here before becoming completely skeptical by berating people. When I first came I familiarized myself with the discussion and the people participating and made an effort to be mindful of their experience, how long and how in-depth they've been examining the phenomenon. If you'd really like to discuss the evidence objectively and enjoy yourself here, I recommend you do similar. If you just want to talk with fellow believers than there's nothing to stop you from going back to the BFF. However, I don't think that's why you're here. Why do you think you're here.
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No matter how nice I am, there will always be some who dislike me. That's a fact of life. But I did say some provocative things to some here, but so did others. I could link back to a handful who I felt were being disingenuous and playing games. But that would not be profitable to anyone at this point.
As I said before, I stand by my description of the tactics and immature behaviors I witnessed when I first got here. That list of tactics and games I typed up is very important. Everyone, including me, can be reminded what NOT to do by studying them. Since they are beneficial in that regard, I will continue to promote them.
But I officially retract any of my statements that were unjustly directed at any specific individual.
As for going back and trying to find every statement I made is a bit much to ask. Besides I'm still of the opinion that there is a great deal of immaturity displayed here, and that there are some who I can't consider a true skeptic because of their tendency to prefer adrenalin-filled, heated arguments over a sound and stable debate. I'm sure you understand what I am talking about here. I'd be very surprised if you haven't witnessed what I am talking about.
I'm not going to name names because that wouldn't be right. In fact, as I get to know folks one-by-one, maybe I'll find that I was wrong about some of them. Then again, it may turn out I was right too. I don't feel the need to apologize to anyone who displayed hostility toward me when I arrived. Again, I'm not going to name names, but they know all too well who they are.
But I'll do my best to keep my assessment of the behaviors I witnessed generic, so that no one is singled out. Only the list of the tactics I witnessed will remain. I think that everyone can stand to learn how NOT to behave here, including me.
My description of how a true skeptic behaves should remain as well. As I said, true skeptics don't use school-yard tactics. They can have a mature and civil debate without the "drama" of unnecessary emotional baggage. You can actually "shake hands" (so to speak) when you're done and peacefully go on to debate another day.
In fact, I am friends right now with someone who is diametrically opposed to my worldview. We have some tremendous discussions about our differing beliefs and we challenge each other without the use of any of the immature tactics I listed earlier. We haven't fought once. I can't speak for her, but I learn something new every time I'm with her. I consider her my closest friend in fact.
Why do I think I'm here? Mainly because I wanted to discuss the Bigfoot phenomenon with a strong mix of proponents and mature skeptics. Not with people who just like to be contrary for the sake of it. And definitely not with people who are addicted to the adrenalin "high" of starting and observing heated arguments and personal attacks. IMO this type of person is not a true skeptic. They're just here to push people's buttons and stir the ****.
This is simple semantics, but I didn't come here to argue, I came here to debate. (Yes, I know debates contain arguments, but the kinds of arguments that I'm describing are the idiotic kind you see on Jerry Springer. That's definitely NOT what I'm here for.) Please don't ask me to show you an example of a "Springer" argument on the board. I'm just using Springer as an extreme example of what the kind of arguments or attitudes that are not welcomed or tolerated by me.
Kit,
I just read your post again. Alright, since you're being so civil about things, I'll go back and try to find any unnecessary statements that may have been denigrating to anyone and I'll take responsibility for them and apologize. Let me know if i miss any.