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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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If there's anyone here who believes that Patty is a flesh and blood animal, please speak up now. You're response may determine whether I will continue to post here.
I believe that Patty is a flesh and blood animal.*

Since, as others have reminded you, this is a forum devoted to critical thinking, the best you can do is to present your strongest arguments and evidence. If you have something new to offer, I think you will find people here, at least, interested.



* In a hairy suit.
 
So if I agree with you that the PGF depicts a living sasquatch you'll stay and discuss whether or not bigfoot exists? ....Interesting.

You? No way. You couldn't agree with me even if you wanted to. You are incapable of it. You're a contrarian by nature. You take the opposite view even at the expense of the truth. The majority of those here do the same. There are apparently none who are like-minded who can stand with me, so that's a clear cue that I don't belong. This will only turn into gang lynching if I continue here alone. So I leave you to your self-deception as you try to convince yourself that it is me who is deceived. Enjoy your grand delusion.
 
Why do these people show up here to fling themselves at Bigfoot skeptics? Is it some sort of soldier bee or Kamikazi mission?
 
If there's anyone here who believes that Patty is a flesh and blood animal, please speak up now. You're response may determine whether I will continue to post here.

What would be the point in finding someone who agrees with you ?

Maybe LU will come back and give you a hug ..

Where's Lyndon/carcharodon ?

SweatyYeti/Coolfoot ?

The problem seems to be, after 40 years, just like there is no costume, there is no Patty or any of her relatives to be found...
 
You? No way. You couldn't agree with me even if you wanted to. You are incapable of it. You're a contrarian by nature. You take the opposite view even at the expense of the truth. The majority of those here do the same. There are apparently none who are like-minded who can stand with me, so that's a clear cue that I don't belong. This will only turn into gang lynching if I continue here alone. So I leave you to your self-deception as you try to convince yourself that it is me who is deceived. Enjoy your grand delusion.
I disagree.;)

You're free to share with us just exactly what is the truth concerning bigfoot and how you discerned it. However, since you seem more interested in finding kindred spirits to stand with tall and free in the glory of bigfoot awareness maybe I can show you the way to greener pastures.

http://www.searchforbigfoot.org/

http://www.bigfootforums.com/

http://www.cryptomundo.com/

Enjoy.
 
I disagree.;)

You're free to share with us just exactly what is the truth concerning bigfoot and how you discerned it. However, since you seem more interested in finding kindred spirits to stand with tall and free in the glory of bigfoot awareness maybe I can show you the way to greener pastures.

http://www.searchforbigfoot.org/

http://www.bigfootforums.com/

http://www.cryptomundo.com/

Enjoy.


You disagree that you can do nothing but disagree that Patty is BH in a suit? And is sombody saying that there are people here that believe as I do? Where are they?
 
Luminous,

I didn't see where you commented on this still.

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Those lumps on the left leg, look nothing like real muscles..

How would you account for them ?


Also, just some comments on this still ...

The vertical striations on the shoulders, and the donut like lumps on the arms
don't look like real muscles either..
 

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Looks like nothing more than a large house cat to me.
:eye-poppi

:bigcat

Thank-you for demonstrating just how differing people's observations and perspectives can be and making a salient point on why it's not so wise to label people who don't see the muscles of a flesh and blood animal in the PGF as dishonest.
 
Since we don't know for sure who was the individual using the costume, he/she is, by default, an unknown hominid...
 
You disagree that you can do nothing but disagree that Patty is BH in a suit?
Yes. I'm perfectly willing to entertain Patty as a real animal. For the longest time I was sure she was. That you didn't know that is hardly as surprising as being unaware of the presence and participation of proponents on this board. Some of them have already been mentioned to you. I guess it's a stretch for some people to get a little familiar with a place, a discussion, and it's participants before mucking it all up. BTW, what the heck was the point of bringing out two old BF threads?
 
Luminous,

I didn't see where you commented on this still.

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Those lumps on the left leg, look nothing like real muscles..

How would you account for them ?


Also, just some comments on this still ...

The vertical striations on the shoulders, and the donut like lumps on the arms
don't look like real muscles either..


Surely you're not suggesting that costume in 67 could be so complex. look at the musculature! Look at the calves! Look at the glutes and the musculature in the back. Look at the arms! I don't see a bunch up of cloth, I see possible piloerection from the back of the legs right up to the back of the head. There's no suit from that time period that can touch the complexity of this. You know and I know it.

And if there are others on this board who believe like I do, please introduce me!
 
Surely you're not suggesting that costume in 67 could be so complex. look at the musculature! Look at the calves! Look at the glutes and the musculature in the back. Look at the arms! I don't see a bunch up of cloth, I see possible piloerection from the back of the legs right up to the back of the head. There's no suit from that time period that can touch the complexity of this. You know and I know it.

And if there are others on this board who believe like I do, please introduce me!

Doesn't sound like you can explain those lumps..

Why should we give any weight to your opinion that the muscles look real ?
 
Surely you're not suggesting that costume in 67 could be so complex. look at the musculature! Look at the calves! Look at the glutes and the musculature in the back. Look at the arms! I don't see a bunch up of cloth, I see possible piloerection from the back of the legs right up to the back of the head. There's no suit from that time period that can touch the complexity of this. You know and I know it.

And if there are others on this board who believe like I do, please introduce me!


Shoot! I think Luminous has fooled us all! You sure got me, Luminous. I thought you were for real! :D
 
The problem seems to be, after 40 years, just like there is no costume, there is no Patty or any of her relatives to be found...

You Skeptical Maniacs! You blew it up! Bigfeet are extinct! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
 
And is sombody saying that there are people here that believe as I do? Where are they?

You mean you haven't bothered to read the threads you're participating in? If you had, you'd know that LAL, carcharodon, and SweatyYeti have been the main proponents here (that post a lot anyway). In my opinion LAL has too often shown her emotional attachment to the subject, carcharodon can't control his temper/insults, and SY engages in childish/trollish behavior. None of them seem truly interested in debate. That might be the type of fanclub you're looking for. Other supporters here actually consider the evidence and can engage in thoughtful debate, like Melissa, Hairy Man and Teresa.Hall. I'm guessing you're not looking for that type of enthusiast. Believe it or not, some of us here used to be bigfoot proponents.

For me, in the beginning I accepted anything and everything about bigfoot. I voraciously read anything pertaining to bigfoot I could get my hands on. I even dropped in on my bigfoot hero John Green one weekend in 1981, while I was on a military course. He was very gracious, a helluva interesting guy to talk to, and signed my copy of his book Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us. I ended up creating a webpage in 1996 based on that book, and he gave me full authorization to go ahead with it. The webpage was up for about 5 years and ironically even won the July 1997 award as the Paranormal Society's page of the month, even though I have argued against any paranormal connection concerning bigfoot. John Bindernagel sent me a copy of his book North America's Great Ape: The Sasquatch, and a local newspaper printed an interview with me about bigfoot. I'll bet I could have even made money off bigfoot had I been so inclined.

As the years went by however, I began to truly question the lack of conclusive evidence for this elusive creature, and in turn, began to question the very reports I had earlier accepted as fact. Where the bigfoot door used to be wide open, for me, it has now almost completely closed. There has been no credible evidence come forward in the past 35-40 years, and any faith I had that bigfoot existed has evaporated. Faith just won't cut the mustard, show me the evidence. Yes, I still cling to the possibility that bigfoot exists, so the door will never be closed completely, but I'm not expecting it to burst open again during my lifetime either. If it does I have my plate of crow ready to pop in the oven.

I suspect a few other skeptics have had similar journeys before arriving at their present position.

RayG
 
here we go again...

A cut-and-paste from http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2482374&postcount=3640. Quite handy now, when the same old claims are made...

Some people want us to belive all gorilla suits from the 60s were like this:
microstillesasgorillawcm.jpg

For some reason, they neglect these ones:
mipc_ray_and_snowflake.jpg

orang_f_g_14.jpg

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bear_shooters_14.jpg

gor_39_sc6.jpg

The youngest gorilla suit is Tracy, from the 1975 Ghostbusters. Most of the others are from before PGF...

Denialism is to say a Patty suit was impossible back in the late 60s.

Here's the source of most of the images:
http://www.gorillamen.com/
I suggest a visit to that site for anyone interested in the issue. It will easilly show how wrong some PGF defenders are.

ETA:
Check IMs and forehead slopes! They've gotta be real gorillas!!!

ETA2:
Rent "Africa Screams" DVD if you want to see the suit with Patty's butt in action.
 
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