[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

[Belz...]

Nobody can get 175 from Logan to NYC via a hijack. Try it, how can you be sure you will get through security with boxcutter in one pocket and GPS in the other?

What exactly is your "argument", here ? That such a plan may not work ? Sorry, that's not good enough. You have to show that it can't.

How can you be sure Chuck Norris won't be on board and in a bad mood?
That's before Rockefeller says OK to your plan. Whereas I via Raytheon have just taken an empty 757 up, flown it around and landed it with no trouble.

Speculation.

How must more sure, is my easy remote controlled lift off, then simply due east to the homing beacons. No aggro, nice and bonny, then "Good Morning Manhattan"

More speculation.

I started with over twenty facts, have you got a problem with facts?

You started with twenty assertions, so far unsupported.

you won't mind explaining how a fibreglass nosed plane punches it's way through a corrugated steel wall. Then how aluminum wings can cut through steel.

570 mph.

So they carried the GPS on board. Already programmed for NY. How can you be sure they'd get through the metal detector.

Why would they need to ?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Any hijack involves risks.

Especially these. Actually, they would kill the hijackers.

The crew might not behave, the passengers might not behave.

And? For them it was a war. War is intrinsically risky.

The area might be completely clouded in. NYC itself might be covered in clouds.

Ahh, that part is no problem. Just listen to the weather report. If the weather is not suitable, postpone the operation.

The govt flight paths show a track like a drunken chicken. Yet all I hear on here is GPS.

Funny, other Truthers claim they flew with military precision. Also, what were those tracks? I mean in your scenario, planes were not hijacked. Did the remote controlled planes fly like drunken chickens? Please be sure to get your story straight, OK?

Was the cabin door locked? Posters on here ignore stuff like that.

You should try reading the posts. People have addressed the door thing several times. No, the doors were not always locked pre 911. And even if they were locked, they were nowhere like the steel-reinforced doors you see now. They were just an aluminium door that you could easily shoulder your way through.

They even deny pre planted explosives.

Yes.

They're "having a laugh" = not serious.

Even serious people laugh at jokes.

Hans

 

[Furcifer]

No, they were brought down by a low pressure system moving out of Canada.

Oh yah, blame Canada. Well it's not going to work this time my friend, we are known for our high pressure systems. Oh and RUSH. So put that in your pipe and smoke it (Only applicable to BC residents ages 18 and over)

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

That's what a kaishakunin is for.

(Says the jap.)

That's the guy playing backup, in case you screw up seppuku, right?

 

[pomeroo]

I die at the hands of a six stone weakling with shoulders like cotton, not really.

Does your stupidity make you invulnerable to knife wounds?

BTW, suppose they couldn't get in the cabin right away. The pilot could have the plane on the groung in two minutes. Even an aenemic stewardess wouldn't bleed to death from a razor slash in that time span = end of hijack = would Rockefeller go with your plan or mine?

Why Rockefeller and not Jay Leno?

 

[JimBenArm]

Oh yah, blame Canada. Well it's not going to work this time my friend, we are known for our high pressure systems. Oh and RUSH. So put that in your pipe and smoke it (Only applicable to BC residents ages 18 and over)

Oh, no. It was a low pressure system 'cause we all know CANADA SUCKS!


I kid! Don't hurt me, T.A.M.!

 

[pomeroo]

Boeing have been the subject of RICO legislation since the early nineties.
Of course y'all know all this. When are y'all going to stop pussyfooting around and try and patch together a viable hijack scenario?
Or are y'all just palying for time, trying to work some nonsense scenario out?

Notice how our psycho switches from Briticisms to good-ole-boy-speak. Is there more than one moron at the other end here?

 

[JimBenArm]

Notice how our psycho switches from Briticisms to good-ole-boy-speak. Is there more than one moron at the other end here?

Well, there is enough stupid in there for four or five people, so could be, I suppose!

 

[Furcifer]

Oh, no. It was a low pressure system 'cause we all know CANADA SUCKS!

OIC, we have a comedy showdown now do we, USA vs. Canada. Alright, I must warn you I am trained in the arts of Tom Foolery, Rabble Rousing and Comedic Jibe. You stand very little chance

 

[jaydeehess]

The pilot could have the plane on the groung in two minutes

wow, with every post you simply illustrate your ignorance further.

25,000 feet in two minutes = 208 feet per second desent rate that's 142 MPH vertical velocity

That is if averaged over the entire 120 seconds which would have the aircraft hitting the ground at 208fps vertical velocity

Even a smooth round rock falling through the air will take about 45 seconds to fall to Earth from 25000 feet.

 

[pomeroo]

You confuse the attack planes with the cover up planes.
I'm referring to the remote controlled, no one on board attack plane, that hit the south tower.
All your other remarks are confirming your consequent fallacy.

Uh, Malcolm, we've established that you were lying when you pretended that military airliners were super-strong.

Boeing 767s and 757s cannot be flown by remote control.

 

[jaydeehess]

Boeing have been the subject of RICO legislation since the early nineties.

Have you provided any inforamtion about this or any of your other claims yet?

I ask again, show me the NOTAM that states that Offut was closed to all traffic except civilain private jets. It would have to be a matter of public record M. Let's see anything at all to back up any of your claims. You have been asked to do this many times. are you just playing for time to try and work out your nonsense senario?

 

[pomeroo]

You astutely refuse to compare your scenario to mine.

Yes, we do make such comparisons. Most of the people on this forum are highly intelligent. You are spectacularly stupid.

I do not accept that my objections have fallen flat. You have all singularily failed to involve airport security, save to say that they would allow GPS and boxcutters on board without a backward glance. You know very well that the supposed hijackers couldn't fly a kite.

Have you read Giulio Bernacchia's paper addressing the issue of the hijackers' skills?

Of course I'm kidding, you silly goose!

You spent all your time testing my mettle.

We determined your mettle instantly. The rest has been a protracted and grotesque exploration into the recesses of an abnormal mind.

Whatever best scenario you can come up with, will be fraught with if's, but's and maybe's. Finally you steadfastly refuse to place yourself in the judges seat. No one with a modicum of intelligence would want civilians queering the scene, in real life. It's your country that's getting slowly strangled. You that are on the road from freedom to fascism.
Maybe you're all neocon gatekeepers eh. If so, you're only delaying the inevitable.

Nineteen well-trained terrorists hijacked four planes and flew three of them into buildings.

 

[pomeroo]

Do you, or do you not, agree that the twins and WTC7, were brought down by controlled demolition?

I agree with EVERY DEMOLITION EXPERT IN THE WORLD that THE TWIN TOWERS WERE < N O T > BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

EXACTLY ONE demolition expert, Danny Jowenko, thinks, for highly unconvincing reasons, that WTC 7 was demolished.

 

[Slayhamlet]

I agree with EVERY DEMOLITION EXPERT IN THE WORLD that THE TWIN TOWERS WERE < N O T > BROUGHT DOWN BY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

EXACTLY ONE demolition expert, Danny Jowenko, thinks, for highly unconvincing reasons, that WTC 7 was demolished.

And he doesn't like to talk about it either. I wonder why?

 

[calebprime]

Oooh! PWND! Clever yet not so oblique gay reference.

Anymore ad homs you want to throw in, or are you going to get back to posting some of that evidence (not opinion pieces and speculation) you promised.

Poor Malcolm in the Muddle.

Take heart, young Mr. Kirkman. Many people have recovered from delusional states worse than yours. You can do this. Rejecting modern medicine may not be wise, however. There are professionals who can really help with your troubles with reality.

So long, and I sincerely hope you get well soon.

Notice how our psycho switches from Briticisms to good-ole-boy-speak. Is there more than one moron at the other end here?

Kerry Linden--Sail Away With Me

High (unintelligibles) caress butterflies
and you drift in the torquoise sea...
Sail away with me!
Would you like to be on a beach in the sun?
We can run running from reality...


(Actually, this guy's not so funny.)

maybe this is more appropriate:

Macho, macho man (macho man)
I've got to be, a macho man
Macho, macho man
I've got to be a macho! (dig the hair on my chest)

Macho, macho man (see my big thick mustache)
I've got to be, a macho man
Macho, macho man
I've got to be a macho! (Dig broad shoulders)


actually, a shrink couldn't help him, he's right about that. But it wouldn't be the fault of the shrink.

Malcolm, when you check out this forum--if you are honest with yourself--you will find a motley crew united only by some respect for reality.

straight/gay, young/old, liberal/conservative/libertarian, ex-military/ex-hippie, musician/tone-deaf, pro-psychiatry/skeptical-about-psychiatry, pro-foreign intervention/isolationist, logical/commonsensical/plain silly,
team-players/lone wolverines, engineers/artists, etc.

 

[pomeroo]

Any pre planted explosives involved?

No, there were NO pre-planted explosives involved. That is the opinion of EVERY DEMOLITION EXPERT IN THE WORLD AND IT IS SUPPORTED BY SEISMIC DATA COMPILED BY THE LAMONT-DOHERTY LABS.

 

[8den]

How can you be sure Chuck Norris won't be on board and in a bad mood?

Hey Chuck Norris doesn't need to be a bad mood to round house kick the fundamentalism out of a hijacker.

I'd make a bigger Chuck Norris joke, but like Loose Change, Chuck Norris jokes are sooooo 2006.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

OIC, we have a comedy showdown now do we, USA vs. Canada. Alright, I must warn you I am trained in the arts of Tom Foolery, Rabble Rousing and Comedic Jibe. You stand very little chance

Canada has Bianca Beauchamp, I'll surrender to her.

 

[pomeroo]

After almost seven hundred increasingly absurd posts, we are back to an observation made many years ago by one of my economics professors. He said that when you encounter someone who points to the blazing noonday sun and remarks on how bright the full moon is, you won't win an argument with that person.