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[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

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Who am I, the man with all the answers?
All that I say is that 175 didn't hit the south tower, which it didn't.
One thing at a time, if you don't mind.
P1: If Flight 175 did not hit the tower then it must have gone somewhere else
P2: If Flight 175 went somewhere else, someone must have flown it there
P3: If someone flew it there, then some ATC(s) must have seen it been flown there on radar
C: At least one ATC can blow the whistle

P1: If United Airlines does not contradict the claim that Flight 175 hit the tower then they are either fooled or in on a coverup
P2: UA does not contradict the claim that Flight 175 hit the tower
C: UA is either fooled or in on a coverup

Do you concur that 175 did not hit the south tower?
No.

Do you agree that 175 was part of the cover up and not part of the real attack?
Begging the question logical fallacy.
 
Poor Malcolm in the Muddle.

Take heart, young Mr. Kirkman. Many people have recovered from delusional states worse than yours. You can do this. Rejecting modern medicine may not be wise, however. There are professionals who can really help with your troubles with reality.

So long, and I sincerely hope you get well soon.
 
Uh, the problem, you may have noticed, is that these are actual Boeing airliners with sophisticated radar systems added. They are most definitely NOT super-strong, and no one thinks they are. So, it's back to the original question. Not that we think you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about, or anything...
maybe its a ricer thing and they think the USAF logo adds 3in armor plating
 
My pleasure. A few bits for starters. Govt policy is, because there's a war on, that all hardwear is obsolete after two years. Irrespective of usage. So you can pick a (military) 757 up for peanuts.
The military 757,
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/e-767-awfwdc.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/e-767.htm
Mensa? I flew the same aircraft for 28 years, and they had been flying since 1954, and some are still in service, like over 100 today. Mensa? Those 767 airframes were for Japan, they bought them.

About new stuff every two years, you are ---- Wrong again. n+1+1
 
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Measure it.

hang on, hang on, hang on...


You're saying that it was not 767's that hit the WTC towers, but 757's and as proof of this you post pictures that the link claims are 767's but you are claiming are actually 757's. Is this right?

Now, funny thing. But does this:

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look like

JASDF767.jpg


????

Notice anything missing?

it doesn't look like this either:

e-10_mc2a_450.jpg


But it does look remarkably like this:

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Get 175 from Logan to the south tower via a hijack scenario. You can't do it. You can't do it at all.
Really? Have you ever heard of a fellow named Mathias Rust?

He was an 19-year-old West German amateur pilot who, in 1987, flew his single-engined Cessna some 400 miles from Helsinki to Moscow and landed in Red Square. Caused quite the stir as I recall.
 
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Thanks T.A.M.

Sorry about the outburst but even after all these years I feel pain when thinking about that day...the business man from the first tower on the bus muttering, "She was just lying these...her head...there was all this gray stuff..." Seeing what you thought was rubble, what you wanted to believe was rubble...falling...

Why do you feel the need to make it some kind of conspiricy? Wasn't it awful enough?


I think, the reason they make these conspiracies is because it was tooi awful. That such carnage can be produced by a few strange foreigners full of hatred is a scary thought. That their government cannot stop them is terrifying. Much better if their government did it. That means they're still in control.



Show me a jap kamikaze that got through a carrier deck (they were all made of wood) and I'll agree that half the hijackers are not still alive.

I know it has already been addressed, but how about this possibly the most famous Kamikaze photo of all time. The caption reads:

Photo taken on May 14, 1945, from the USS Washington (BB-56), shows the Enterprise exploding from a bomb laden kamikaze. The ships forward elevator was blown approximately 700 feet into the air from the force of the explosion six decks below.

The USS Enterprise (CV-6) was the most decorated ship of World War Two, and took part in more engagements than any other ship during the entire war. It had a wooden flight deck. On May 14th 1945 the Enterprise was hit by a single enemy kamikaze aircraft. The aircraft penetrated through six decks before exploding with enough force to throw the enormous aft elevator 700ft skyward.




I'm sitting in my living room and I could swear I heard a thousand people screaming in unison something about a "village idiot."


Well they talk about a "global village". Presumably somewhere out there is the global village idiot. The mind shudders.




My pleasure. A few bits for starters. Govt policy is, because there's a war on, that all hardwear is obsolete after two years. Irrespective of usage. So you can pick a (military) 757 up for peanuts.
The military 757,
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/e-767-awfwdc.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/e-767.htm



Others have already pointed out that those are 767s, not 757s. They are, in fact, different airframes. The 2-year thing is kind of interesting. I guarantee you cannot identify a single piece of military hardware currently in use today that was developed within the last two years.




That's not an E-8. That's an E-10. It even says so in the image label. Who are you trying to fool?

Here's an E-10 MC2A
The Northrop Grumman E-10 MC2A is a muilti-role military aircraft currently under development as replacement for the Boeing 707 based E-3 Sentry, E-8 Joint STARS, and RC-135 Rivet Joint aircraft in US service. It is based on a 767-400ER airframe.

...

In 2003, the Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and Raytheon MC2A Team was awarded a $215 million pre-SDD (System Design and Development) contract for the development of the aircraft. A contract for a Testbed Development Program (TDP) to demonstrate key technologies is currently under negotiation with expected award at the end of 2006.

Oops. Looks like you have a few problems there. Putting aside problems with chronology for a moment, the aircraft that hit the towers were 767-200 and 767-200ER series, not 767-400ER series.

This is an E-8C Joint STARS.

The E-8C is a modified Boeing 707-300 series commercial airframe extensively re-manufactured and modified with the radar, communications, operations and control subsystems required to perform its operational mission. The most prominent external feature is the 12 m (40 ft) long, canoe-shaped radome under the forward fuselage that houses the 7.3 m (24 ft) long, side-looking APY-7 phased array antenna.

Oops. Another error. Can you count the engines?

-Gumboot
 
I know it has already been addressed, but how about this possibly the most famous Kamikaze photo of all time. The caption reads:

this link doesn't work
 
Mensa? I flew the same aircraft for 28 years, and they had been flying since 1954, and some are still in service, like over 100 today. Mensa? Those 767 airframes were for Japan, they bought them.

About new stuff every two years, you are ---- Wrong again. n+1+1
Oh no I'm not.
 
So the B-52, the F-16, the F/A-18, the F-117A, the B-2, and the A-4 are obsolute? Oh, and the F-22!
 
Really? Have you ever heard of a fellow named Mathias Rust?

He was an 19-year-old West German amateur pilot who, in 1987, flew his single-engined Cessna some 400 miles from Helsinki to Moscow and landed in Red Square. Caused quite the stir as I recall.

He got hijacked by a band of night clubbing CIAduh deadlegs did he?
 
I suspect that no matter how much of the insurmountable evidence is provided that Flight 175 did strike the South Tower and no military plane was substituted in it's place, the theorist will believe what ever they want. If they want to believe Darth Vader, aliens or elves destroyed the towers, then they will believe it.
 
P1: If Flight 175 did not hit the tower then it must have gone somewhere else
P2: If Flight 175 went somewhere else, someone must have flown it there
P3: If someone flew it there, then some ATC(s) must have seen it been flown there on radar
C: At least one ATC can blow the whistle

P1: If United Airlines does not contradict the claim that Flight 175 hit the tower then they are either fooled or in on a coverup
P2: UA does not contradict the claim that Flight 175 hit the tower
C: UA is either fooled or in on a coverup


No.


Begging the question logical fallacy.
Why couldn't the 175 passengers and crew been herded on to a remote controlled plane and flown off to somewhere like The Bering Sea?
 
I suspect you are right. I see that Malcolm has gone silent on the planes can't penetrate steel arguments, nor acknowledged that water is routinely used to cut steal, Cesna's can break through walls of high rise buildings or that kamakaize planes did go through the decks and hulls of ships.
 
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