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[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

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malcolm kirkman said:
NOTAM = ?
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5 seconds of googling begets:

NOTAM or NoTAM is the quasi-acronym for a "Notice To Airmen". NOTAMs are created and transmitted by government agencies under guidelines specified by Annex 15: Aeronautical Information Services of the International Convention on Civil Aviation. A NOTAM is filed with an aviation authority to alert aircraft pilots of any hazards en route or at a specific location. The authority in turn provides means of disseminating relevant NOTAMs to pilots.
NOTAMs are issued (and reported) for a number of reasons, such as:
  • hazards such as air-shows and parachute jumps
  • flights by important people such as heads of state
  • closed runways
  • inoperable radio navigational aids
  • military exercises with resulting airspace restrictions
  • inoperable lights on tall obstructions
  • temporary erection of obstacles near airfields (e.g. cranes)
  • passage of flocks of birds through airspace (a NOTAM in this category is known as a BIRDTAM)
Software is available to allow pilots to identify NOTAMs near their intended route or at the intended destination.
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Malcolm, do you unequivocally agree that the hijackers or dead or not? You gave your word. Let's see if you're good to it.
 
Gravy said:
Probably?

Probably?

You're reneging on your promise to declare them dead, Malcolm?

I'll give you another chance to do the honorable thing and be good to your word:

I take it we now have your agreement the the hijackers are not alive. Correct, Malcolm?
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Not alive now. Alive after 9/11. Died between then and now.
 
So many stundie nominations....and good timing too, your going to win hands down Malcolm.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
You misunderstand me. Someone else said water cuts steel, I was being facetious.
You'll find the meaning of facetious in a decent dictionary. I learnt the meaning of the word watching Jerry Springer (there I go again, being facetious).
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Don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs, boy.

PRAXIS II score: 196/200 (top 4% in the nation).
 
Wow I go away for a bit and you guys spam this thread to 10 pages. :p

Water can cut through steel easily, it's used all the time. Here is a Hydro-saw jet. It is capable of cutting through 1 metre of Reinforced Concrete or 80 mm of steel.

How about the GPS. According to this source Atta was seen at the WTC with a GPS unit and the Hijackers were known to have bought GPS units before the attacks. Since they were never found the odds are they had them on the planes with them. How could they have got them on the planes? Easy, in their carry on lugage. There was no rule that said that you couldn't carry a GPS unit on a plane pre-9/11 and nothing stops you from carry one on a plane today. Pre-9/11, boxcutters and small knives were not prohibited on planes either.

Plane vs Building. It would seem that even a small plane doesn't bounce off of a building on impact, funny that.

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How about those hijackers? I'll let Gumboot answer that.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Plane vs Building. It would seem that even a small plane doesn't bounce off of a building on impact, funny that.

[qimg]http://www.watsoncrombie.com/cartoons/birds/cessna.jpg[/qimg]
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I'll bet they pointied up the nose before that. It's pretty convenient how you can't see it in that picture.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
No pods for you then eh? Must be the garage door bit then.
Because there's no way a fibreglass nosed plane, busted through corrugated steel, along with it's tin wings.
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You're obviously not particularly bright. There have been incidences of pine needles penetrating steel beams during tornados, for example. And damage effects of high-speed impacts of vehicles on various substances has been tested... one of the findings is that a construction of steel and glass fares far worse in a direct side-impact than a construction of concrete or stone.

So even a fiberglass or wood structure, flying at 400+ mph, has the power to penetrate something like the rather thin facade of the Twin Towers; and once even a small part of the plane penetrated, whether through the glass or by disruption of the steel work itself, kinetic energy would propel tons of matter and huge amounts of energy through the penetration point and into the relatively sparse interior, causing further structural damage.

But I'm not expecting much from you, who apparently have no life experience or education, and are not even experienced in discussing these issues in any depth at all. (Otherwise, you'd not bring up the long-since dismissed 'pod' idea)

In fact, I expect you'll not even live up to your agreement. You were shown a deck impact hole from a kamikaze pilot's attack... now will you agree that none of the 19 hijackers are still alive (nor were immediately after 9/11)?

BTW, that's another old canard of the CT crowd long ago put to rest...
 
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