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[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

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slyjoe said:
Not exactly. GPS may not have been installed on commercial airliners, but it certainly worked on airplanes.:)
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So they carried the GPS on board. Already programmed for NY. How can you be sure they'd get through the metal detector. How's about a quick backheel or two, over the top of the metal detector. First the GPS, then the boxcutter?
 
malcolm kirkman said:
How does it work?
Do you type in,
"South face of South tower, WTC, Manhattan, New York, by the scenic route please", or what?
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To tell you the truth, I have no idea how to operate the GPS on a 757. I'm an aerospace engineering grad student, not a pilot. I know what stuff goes where on aircraft and why.
The terrorists who flew the planes however were licensed pilots. They knew how to program the right co-ordinates into the navigation system, and navigate in the air. Approximate co-ordinates would have sufficed, and, as others have pointed out, they could have easily done it on sight alone.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
So they carried the GPS on board. Already programmed for NY. How can you be sure they'd get through the metal detector. How's about a quick backheel or two, over the top of the metal detector. First the GPS, then the boxcutter?
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I have carried GPS on plane, commercial flight since 2000. Sorry you are not very good at this are you?

You could have it programmed for anywhere you want. GPS work very good on planes, even handheld versions. Are you over 10?
 
malcolm kirkman said:
You mean like how water chops a truck in half, when you hose a truck down?
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I want to cry. This is what our school systems produce. I knew it, but it's much more heartbreaking to see.

Malcolm, do you know what psi stands for?
Can you tell me the psi of a standard garden hose?
How about the psi of a pressure-washer?

Can you see no appreciable difference?

I just watched a show on Discovery Health about a man who was suffering embolisms, and the docs couldn't figure out why. A couple of years before, he had been pressure-washing his deck when he hit a wasp's nest on the underside of the deck, through the gaps in the boards.

When the wasps swarmed his legs, he wasn't thinking, and turned the hose on his legs to wash them off.

He washed off a lot of his own skin. And he damaged the blood vessels in his legs so badly, they began to form embolisms (blood clots) that almost killed him years later.

Now, you go outside, turn your garden hose on full-blast, and try to wash off your own skin. I am not advocating you hurt yourself, because I know you won't be able to do yourself any harm in that way.


I'm going to go sob over the state of our schools.
 
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pomeroo said:
I warned you.

Incidentally, I hate to be the bearer of evil tidings, but the pod myth has been abandoned even by hardcore conspiracy liars.

At least we know you're not ten years old. You'd be much smarter.
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No pods for you then eh? Must be the garage door bit then.
Because there's no way a fibreglass nosed plane, busted through corrugated steel, along with it's tin wings.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
The Kamikazes flew zero's. Zero's had engines in the nose. All the planes the Kamikazes used, had engines in the nose.
I'm not making anything up, there must be film of Kamikaze attacks on wooden decked carriers in WW2. Check it out, they couldn't get through wood.
Fibreglass can't get through steel, no matter how fast it's going.
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Hey, here's a sunburst: you're actually wrong about something, Malcolm. Not all kamikazes flew zeroes. Many were strapped into tiny one-engine jobs with no landing gear called Baka (= fool) Bombs.

I'm fascinated to hear that fiberglass can't get through steel the way those aluminum airliners smashed right through the glass and steel external columns of the Twin Towers.

Tell us you're joking. If you were real, you wouldn't be able to feed yourself or cross a street.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
A bullet has a pointed tip, a soft nosed fireglass fronted plane doesn't.
In WW2, the Japs made the mistake of sending Kamikaze planes against the wooden decks of US carriers. They forgot to put a pointy bit on the front. The Kamkaze planes that did hit, spread themselves out across the deck.
You need a pointy bit on the front. No pointy bit = no entry.
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How did the B25 lost in the fog enter the Empire State Building? How did an engine go straight through that building and out the other side?
 
malcolm kirkman said:
So they carried the GPS on board. Already programmed for NY. How can you be sure they'd get through the metal detector. How's about a quick backheel or two, over the top of the metal detector. First the GPS, then the boxcutter?
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GPS probably would set off a metal detector. So what, there was no reason to stop anyone from having one on a plane in 2001.

the boxcutters too would not be a problem as they also were still allowed on aircraft in 2001.

I travelled in 2000 with a pocket knife on me. I dutifully placed it in the little plastic tray before going through the metal detector. The detector found no metal on me, the security people said nothing about the obvious swiss army knife in the tray,. My carry on luggage contained a digital camera and that showed up on the x-ray of my carry one, no comment from security about that either.

Gee M , it seems your conjecture has no legs to stand on.
 
slingblade said:
I want to cry. This is what our school systems produce. I knew it, but it's much more heartbreaking to see.

Malcom, do you know what psi stands for?
Can you tell me the psi of a standard garden hose?
How about the psi of a pressure-washer?

Can you see no appreciable difference?

I just watched a show on Discovery Health about a man who was suffering embolisms, and the docs couldn't figure out why. A couple of years before, he had been pressure-washing his deck when he hit a wasp's nest on the underside of the deck, through the gaps in the boards.

When the wasps swarmed his legs, he wasn't thinking, and turned the hose on his legs to wash them off.

He washed off a lot of his own skin. And he damaged the blood vessels in his legs so badly, they began to form embolisms (blood clots) that almost killed him years later.

Now, you go outside, turn your garden hose on full-blast, and try to wash off your own skin. I am not advocating you hurt yourself, because I know you won't be able to do yourself any harm in that way.


I'm going to go sob over the state of our schools.
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You misunderstand me. Someone else said water cuts steel, I was being facetious.
You'll find the meaning of facetious in a decent dictionary. I learnt the meaning of the word watching Jerry Springer (there I go again, being facetious).
 
malcolm kirkman said:
So they carried the GPS on board. Already programmed for NY. How can you be sure they'd get through the metal detector. How's about a quick backheel or two, over the top of the metal detector. First the GPS, then the boxcutter?
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They couldn't be sure, although there was really no reason to suspect that attempting to carry a GPS on to a flight would be risky. They couldn't be sure they'd get the boxcutters on board. They couldn't be sure they wouldn't die in a car crash on the way to the airport. They couldn't be sure that a different terrorist group wouldn't blow up the airport before they even took off.

So?
 
malcolm kirkman said:
No pods for you then eh? Must be the garage door bit then.
Because there's no way a fibreglass nosed plane, busted through corrugated steel, along with it's tin wings.
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The building had no corrugated steel siding, the facade was aluminum and that was over the steel perimeter column trees.

the aircraft wings were constructed primarily of aluminum not tin.

Where do you get this stuff?
 
malcolm kirkman said:
The Kamikazes flew zero's. Zero's had engines in the nose. All the planes the Kamikazes used, had engines in the nose.
I'm not making anything up, there must be film of Kamikaze attacks on wooden decked carriers in WW2. Check it out, they couldn't get through wood.
Fibreglass can't get through steel, no matter how fast it's going.
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They also flew:
Yokosuka D4Y Suisei (or "Judy") dive bombers
Nakajima Ki-115 Tsurugi,
Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka rocket-bombs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
 
malcolm kirkman said:
So they carried the GPS on board. Already programmed for NY. How can you be sure they'd get through the metal detector. How's about a quick backheel or two, over the top of the metal detector. First the GPS, then the boxcutter?
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Or just put it in the carry-on.
Many GPSs would probaly not set off a metal detector pre-9/11. They have as much metal as a Walkman.
 
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