[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

[PhantomWolf]

Here's a little experiment for you. Drive your car into a corrugated steel wall at 200+ mph and if it goes through the wall, you win the bet.

My car doesn't weigh 160 tonnes and travel at 500mph, but even so I bet a car hitting a steel column wall at 200mph would do a lot of damage to the wall.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Precisely my point.
I said they weren't commercial planes. I said they were ex-military. After 15 posts, I'll show you a photo of one.

OK, I'd like to see this. Ex military planes flown from Ouffet AFB that looked like a 767 or a 757.

What would they be squawking, Malcolm, in order not to be detected by ARTCC?

DR

 

[Scientologist]

Well I'm convinced.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Precisely my point.
I said they weren't commercial planes. I said they were ex-military. After 15 posts, I'll show you a photo of one.

make sure its one take pre-9/11/2001

With all your facts and knowledge, it won't take you long to come up with a viable scenario, that gets hijackers from logan, through the steel wall of the South tower, in a tin and plastic commercial plane, will it?

easy

1: buy tickets (anyone with money can do this, no big deal)

2: get on the plane (we are in agreement the hijackers had legs, right?)

3: at the specificed time (buy a watch) stand up (theres those legs again) pull the razor knife out of your pocket (on 9/11/2001 it was prefectly legal to carry this on a plane, in fact in 1992 i bought a 3.5in knife on a plane with no problem, i was later told this was NOT legal) grab the nearest flight attendant (ok, so now we need arms as well as legs) and walkup to the cockpit door

4: have the flight attendant open the door if its locked, or have him/her get the co-pilot to let you in (pre-9/11 cooperation was the SOP for hijackings)

5: as soon as the door is open 2-4 of your accomplices rush in and slit the pilots and copilots throats (at least one, probably both, of them will be strapped in flying the plane, so gettin the drop on them will easy)

sidenote: if the co-pilot opened the door and happens to be a kickboxer who doesnt care much for company policy toward hijackings just pray to allah that the other 3 flights will bring death to the infidels

6: disable autopilot and turn off transponder, enter the letter J-F-K into the autopilot, and re-engage it (since the pilots were trained for large commercial aircraft this shoul dnot have been a problem)

7: when you see the NY skyliner disable autopilot and direct the plane towards the twin towers (i tried this in MS flight simulater 2004 and was able to hit the sears tower in chicago 10 out of 10 times with the controls set to high realism, i doubt this would have been a problem for someone who has real training)

8: for getting through the steel perimeter collumns, imagine this, i take a peice of lead and press it against your sternum with my hand, i might bend the lead, maybe push you back a bit, at worst give you a bruise

no imagine that same peice of lead being shot from a gun at 500 miles per hour, what would do now? probbaly the same thing f175 did the WTC2, right?


well theres your scenario, im going to ged, some of us have jobs we have to go to in the morning

 

[kookbreaker]

Wrong. No clouds. and the terrorists have GPS.

Plus they are pilots. They can freaking navigate already!

 

[Alareth]

Staggering regurgitation of thoroughly disproven old CT fodder. You would think we have warped back several years in time.

 

[Brainache]

So what are the odds of this one being from Manchester? I think a lot of folks here are too quick to jump to accusations of PDoh sock, but in this case I think it could be justified. Or I suppose he could just be another UK loon.

OH that reminds me, Happy Birthday UK Dave!!!

 

[Totovader]

Precisely my point.
I said they weren't commercial planes. I said they were ex-military. After 15 posts, I'll show you a photo of one.

The planes were ex-military?

Did they get kicked out for lying about their records?

*kick drum snare*

How about instead of posting pictures of discharged military planes, you actually produce some evidence? I mean... that would be a decent start.

 

[Totovader]

Here's a little experiment for you. Drive your car into a corrugated steel wall at 200+ mph and if it goes through the wall, you win the bet.

I'll get my camera, you go first...

While you're heading towards that wall, consider the relevance of your "experiment" to the events of 9/11. Hopefully you realize the mistake before you hit the wall...

 

[slingblade]

My brother works for Boeing. Shall I ask him how many of their craft are made of "tin and plastic?"

It might take a while to get an answer. He has a good sense of humor and has been known to laugh quite a long time at particularly good jokes.

 

[NickUK]

I hereby invite you all to a kittenpictureparty.

Starting....NOW!

 

[NickUK]

(also, dessert recipes of course)

 

[beachnut]

Here's a little experiment for you. Drive your car into a corrugated steel wall at 200+ mph and if it goes through the wall, you win the bet.

No, you have to do it at 470 to 590 mph. Apples and Apples. Speed kills. Why do I have a feeling you never took physics? You never did like math, did you?

 

[332nd]

Awwww! I missed the first wave.

Ah well.

What time do you do this?

As mentioned before, shortly after the plane has taken off and is in level flight.

Which direction do you point the plane?

As mentioned before using the auto pilot point it towards NYC and once I see the two biggest buildings, aim for those.

How do you get through the locked cabin door?

Let's say it was locked. I grab a FA, (preferably female) put my blade to her throat and tell her that my buddy over there has a bomb and if she doesn't unlock the door or tell the pilot to unlock the door I will kill her but if she does as I say the plane will be fine and she'll live.
If she decides to play tough I'll get one of the other highjackers to bring up another FA and make him/her watch as I slit her throat. I'll get in.

What happens if you, a 5ft 8in 8 stone hung over skeleton, meets a flight engineer who is an ex boxer. That's once you get through the locked cabin door?

I don't think the Flight engineers are on the 767's but if there were...

I take the FA in and put my back to the opposite wall of the cabin. While his attention is on me my buddy darts in and slits his throat. I do the same to her and take out the pilot, he takes out the copilot.

Doesn't really compare with my remote control, middle of the night, lift off from Offutt. No trouble, no fuss, just head the plane due east and ride shotgun, until the homing beacons on the computer floor take over.

Well except that some one has to kill the passengers (unless they were in on it.) And if they are taking off in the "middle of the night" (unless that's somekind of slang whereever you're from) it has to be a stealth plane that looks just like a 767. Come to think of it even if it is slang, they have to come up with some kind of way to explain that extra plane. Oh and they had to have a crew that serviced the plane and either kill them or make sure they wouldn't talk. AND they had to make sure that out of the Millions of freqs coming out of NYC that something didn't screw up the signal. Oh don't forget making sure that the crew from AA that serviced 175, and the engineers at Boeing who designed the plane, were in on it or silenced since you claim that it couldn't do much damage to the building.

Yeah, smooth. (They thought of all this and yet they forgot to check and see if Cell phones could make calls.)

I see the ridicule has dropped off.

You didn't have to do that! Your powers of observation were on display since your first post.

 

[R.Mackey]

Why do they do it? Is there a sign somewhere that says "JREF Forum: Come Here If You Know You're Right, Even Though You Failed Grade School Physics?"

I don't have any pictures of kitties or puppies, but here's a good picture anyway:



Original and explanation here. Further proving that, yes indeed, the laws of Physics work just the way us evil, gatekeeping eggheads say they do.

And here's a dessert recipe:

Conspiracy Idiot Induced Stress Eliminating Tonic

1 small glass
1 bottle Islay or Speyside cask-strength single malt
1 comfy chair
1 JREFer

Kick out neighbors and lock doors. Preset stereo to comfortable level. Remove single malt from its hiding place. Pour a wee dram into the small glass. Place JREFer in the comfy chair and gently apply the single malt. Recipe may be doubled, trebled, or multiplied further if desired.

 

[gumboot]

I don't know where to start, so I won't.

I know the term "LOL" is grossly overused on the internet, but in reading this thread I honestly swear to God laughed out loud.

Tin and plastic.

Cloudy day.

Air Traffic Controllers only control flights on take off and landing.

Flight Engineer boxers.

"Skin over a skeleton hijackers"

This is frikken hilarious.

-Gumboot

 

[332nd]

I hereby invite you all to a kittenpictureparty.

Starting....NOW!

 

[Alareth]

Buttermilk Chess Pie

(also, dessert recipes of course)

Buttermilk Chess Pie Recipe

INGREDIENTS:

• 3 eggs, beaten
• 1 1/2 cups granulated sugar
• 3 tablespoons melted butter
• 1 tablespoon white cornmeal
• 1/3 cup buttermilk
• 1/2 teaspoon salt
• 2 teaspoons vanilla extract
• 1 unbaked 9-inch pie crust

PREPARATION:

Whisk together the eggs, sugar, melted butter, cornmeal, buttermilk, salt, and vanilla. Blend well and pour into an unbaked 9-inch pastry shell. Bake in at 375° on the bottom rack of the oven for 15 minutes; reduce heat to 350° and bake 20 minutes longer.

 

[hellaeon]

What do Boystown have to do with this?

 

[Brainache]

What do Boystown have to do with this?

Apparently the guys flying the remote control plane were kiddie fiddlers. Just why this is so remains unclear.