[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

[Unsecured Coins]

He's on that page.

shennanigans!

 

[Zep]

There are flight engineers on every commercial long haul flight.

There are not. EROPS (twin-engined medium- & long-haul jets) are designed to have no FE's on board. That is, a crew of two: pilot & second officer. The aircraft involved in 9-11 were EROPS.

 

[Brainache]

Don't forget, it's a cloudy september day.
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Just this little lie says it all. All the photos and footage shot that day refutes this.

 

[beachnut]

There are flight engineers on every commercial long haul flight.
There are 360 degrees to pick from. Pick yours from where ever you took control of the plane to Ny. Don't forget, it's a cloudy september day.
Just a couple of degrees out and it's the cold Atlantic for you.
What's your choice from 360. How's about 60, or what about 80.
The choice is yours, don't be wrong.

It was a clear 9/11 day. Sorry you got the weather wrong, you have everything wrong. Re do.

Zip, zero, no flight engineer on the 767/757 of 9/11, strike 2.

There are infinite directions to go. Sorry STRIKE THREE

bye

 

[SOMERLED]

Towards that whopping great city on the coast with the two monster buildings front and centre.
No because your idea requires the continued silence of thousands of people for over five years and non-existent technology.

NY is 200 miles away and covered by clouds.
How do two people in an executive jet, remotely controlling/ following the attack plane, suddenly get to thousands?
These hijackers of yours, how come half of them are still alive?
They certainly didn't step out of 175 andwalk down the stairs.
Your sides can't still be aching, yet the ridicule has still dropped off.

 

[SOMERLED]

Just this little lie says it all. All the photos and footage shot that day refutes this.

Not over Boston.

 

[Corsair 115]

There are not. EROPS (twin-engined medium- & long-haul jets) are designed to have no FE's on board. That is, a crew of two: pilot & second officer. The aircraft involved in 9-11 were EROPS.

A question, if you don't mind, Zep: isn't the flight engineer crew position essentially a "legacy" crew position left over from older jet designs, and only used on those older designs? I seem to recall the Boeing 747 originally had a flight engineer position, along with some of the other jumbo jets designs which were produced subsequently. But all the newer jet designs only call for a two-man crew on the flight deck.

 

[pomeroo]

There are flight engineers on every commercial long haul flight.

I don't want to be the person to inform you that you are in the company of pilots and flight instructors.

There are 360 degrees to pick from. Pick yours from where ever you took control of the plane to Ny.

And whatever you do, pay no attention to the GPS.

Don't forget, it's a cloudy september day.

Aha! A clue. Conspiracy liars are a grotesque combination of stupidity, ignorance, dishonesty, and moral idiocy, but even they (I know, I know--there must be exceptions) acknowledge that 9/11/01 was a brilliantly sunny and clear day.

Just a couple of degrees out and it's the cold Atlantic for you.
What's your choice from 360. How's about 60, or what about 80.
The choice is yours, don't be wrong.

Hmmm. That's a good one. Now, if only the jihadists had thought to include people trained to fly planes in their scheme. Oh, wait!---


Let me go on record: NOBODY can be this stupid. I don't care if this clown is a ten-year-old kid.

 

[jaydeehess]

Ok, one at a time

175 did NOT hit the South tower. A remote controlled flight from Offutt AFB did.
1.
Raytheon, in Aug 2001, flew a passenger jet, take off – flight around – landing. (Der Spiegel).

What issue of Der Speigal? Quote please.
A link from Raytheon itself would also be in order.

2.
Raytheon deal in small executive jets, there is no reason for them to fly large passenger planes by remote control

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IIRC Raytheon does not manufacture any aircraft. Their core business is military aircraft electronics.
From their web page
"Raytheon is a technology leader specializing in defense, homeland security, and other government markets throughout the world. With a history of innovation spanning more than 80 years, Raytheon provides state-of-the-art electronics, mission systems integration, and other capabilities in the areas of sensing; effects; command, control, communications and intelligence systems, as well as a broad range of mission support services."

3.
There is a very good reason for Raytheon not to interest themselves in flying passenger planes by remote control, because it is against the law.

Reference please. Just what would make it illegal for Raytheon to develop a remote control system for a passenger jet.

4.
The law requires that the passengers on any flight, have the flight crew present themselves to the passengers, by standing by the entrance door. This is to reassure the passengers, that the crew are not hung over or worse.

Reference please.
I for one have, on several occasions, been on a flight and never laid eyes on the cockpit crew. They were on board when I boarded and the cockpit door was closed.

5.
No flight crew by the door = no flight.

The last time this occurred my aircraft took off and flew for several hours, landing in Cancun. By coincidence it was a 757. Maybe the laws are different in Canada and Mexico but our flight did travel over the USA.

6.
Raytheon could have no legitimate reason, for flying a large passenger plane by remote control.

Other than in testing such a system. However you have not actually shown that such a system was developed nor have you shown that such a system was employed on 9/11, on any aircraft at all.

7.
Offutt AFB, is a joint civilian/military installation.

Reference please.
Relevance please.

8.
Boeing and Raytheon were there.

I dare say that Raytheon and Boeing are present at all large airforce bases and smaller test facilities as well. After all they are the contractors that developed many of the aircraft and systems. Boeing and Raytheon also have liaisons at the pentagon no doubt.

9.
Boeing has been the subject of RICO law suits for over a decade.

reference please.
specifics of the suit please.
relevance to the topic please.

10.
The military prefer daylight take offs.

non-sequitur, indeed daylight travel and navigation is preferred, so is flight in sunny calm weather. However, the military designs its systems to operate in all weather and in all expected conditions including night flight.

11.
Any commander of an Air Force Base who closed his airport for ‘civilian’ reasons during massive war games, would face disciplinary action.

??? I simply cannot decipher what you are even trying to say.

12.
For the first time in history, a civilian politician was placed in direct command of Norad and other parts of the USAF.

Who?
reference please.
historical background please.

13.
In order to get a night-time take off from a military airfield, some compelling reason must be given.

Untrue,
reference please.
relevance please (after all the events of 9/11 all took place several hours after sunrise and several hours before sunset)

14.
Private civilian executive jets began arriving at dawn on 9/11, because of a celebrity golf tournament that day.

Arriving where?
reference please
relevance please.

15.
Warren Buffet was persuaded out of retirement to host one last celebrity golf tournament.

Reference please
relevance please

16.
Neocons are involved in paedophilia.

Really?
reference please
relevance please (after all I know of no paedophilia related events on 9/11, nor do i see how a paedophile would gain by the events of 9/11.)

17.
Offut AFB is twenty minutes away from Boystown, Omaha.

relevance please(concerning 9/11)

18.
Boystown is steeped in allegations of paedophilia.

again, relevance to the topic of 9/11/01

19.
Things occurred (criminal convictions) in the Twin Towers apartment block in Omaha, which is midway between the executive jet landing at Offutt and Boystown, ten minutes from either location.

Such as, and please cite the relevance to the topic of what occurred in Manhattan, Pennsylvania, and at the Pentagon. If there is an apartment building in Omaha with the same name as the World Trade Center's towers is that supposed to actually link these events somehow. My name is also not unique. Am I somehow linked to everyone with the same name?

20.
So many planes or non-planes were in the sky that morning, that air traffic controllers didn’t know a real plane from a blip on their screen.

You really need to do some research into the nature and use of radar. there are always many "non-planes" in the sky. They are known as birds and clouds mostly and they do indeed show up on primary radar screens. they do not show up on secondary radar which is , counter intuitivly, the radar used primarily in the ATC operations. However when an aircraft turns its transponder off the ATC controller can then only see the primary return of that aircraft. Unless he just happens to be looking directly at that particular aircraft when its transponder goes dead he will only have a rough idea where it was when he last saw it. If it made an abrupt course change after turning the transponder off it will also not show up on primary where he will be expecting it to be and it will take some time and deduction to determine which primary return is that particular aircraft.

21.
Air traffic controllers deal only with planes that are about to land in their area

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No, absolutly incorrect. ATC at an airport has control of aircraft landing and taking off from that airport. While the plane is enroute it is the responsibility of other ATC control centers. Each center 'hands off' aircraft passing beyond their area to the next center or to the airport control centers.

22.
All take offs from Offutt, for both Northern Vigilance, Vigilant warrior and any other reason, would have to be during the night of 9/10 – 9/11.

,,,,, and?????

 

[SOMERLED]

I'm almost afraid to ask, but here it goes:

Malcolm, what about flight 11?

Don't you think 175 is enough for the moment.

 

[pomeroo]

NY is 200 miles away and covered by clouds.

Nobody believes you.

How do two people in an executive jet, remotely controlling/ following the attack plane, suddenly get to thousands?

I wish someone could translate this into English. Boeing 767s and 757s, incidentally, can't be flown by remote control.

These hijackers of yours, how come half of them are still alive?

Yes, it is impossible. Your imaginary conspiracy would surely have killed them.

They certainly didn't step out of 175 andwalk down the stairs.

Astonishingly, this statement is literally correct. A blind squirrel, and all that.

Your sides can't still be aching, yet the ridicule has still dropped off.

Wrong. My head aches too. The ridicule has largely turned to pity and disgust.

 

[CHF]

Don't you think 175 is enough for the moment.

No, let's crank up the idiocy full blast.

Tell us about Flights 11, 77 and 93.

 

[Zep]

A question, if you don't mind, Zep: isn't the flight engineer crew position essentially a "legacy" crew position left over from older jet designs, and only used on those older designs? I seem to recall the Boeing 747 originally had a flight engineer position, along with some of the other jumbo jets designs which were produced subsequently. But all the newer jet designs only call for a two-man crew on the flight deck.

That's true. The advent of the glass cockpit and computerised control systems meant that the FE position became redundant. The roles were subsequently divided between the tech crew and the onboard computers.

Nowadays, even long-haul heavies are only a two-person tech crew. However many extended flights (over 9 hours in the air, IIRC) will carry two full crews, and rotate them onto the flight-deck.

 

[Quad4_72]

Stop feeding the troll.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Don't you think 175 is enough for the moment.

I think this is about the only thing you've gotten right so far, but even then it would appear that Flight 175 is still too much for you considering that you're sadly lacking in facts or knowledge.

 

[Brainache]

NY is 200 miles away and covered by clouds.

Wrong. No clouds. and the terrorists have GPS.

How do two people in an executive jet, remotely controlling/ following the attack plane, suddenly get to thousands?

So these two planned it all, swapped the planes, killed the passengers, morphed all the phonecalls and did everything else you need for your scenario as well as fly the remote contolling jet following the attack plane? That's two very busy guys.

These hijackers of yours, how come half of them are still alive?

Which half? No sorry Mal, they are all dead. Dead on 9/11 on account of how they flew those planes into those buildings.

They certainly didn't step out of 175 andwalk down the stairs.

Tell you what, let me know if Kevin Barret or anyone else ever finds them, OK? Because all you've got now is a couple of cases of mistaken ID and wrong photos published in a newspaper.

Your sides can't still be aching, yet the ridicule has still dropped off.

You don't think you are being ridiculed? How odd.

 

[Zep]

NY is 200 miles away and covered by clouds.
How do two people in an executive jet, remotely controlling/ following the attack plane, suddenly get to thousands?
These hijackers of yours, how come half of them are still alive?
They certainly didn't step out of 175 andwalk down the stairs.

This is either a gee-up, or you need to check your meds.

BZZZZZT!! Thanks for playing.

Your sides can't still be aching, yet the ridicule has still dropped off.

Perhaps because you aren't worth any more attention?

Have a nice life.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Stop feeding the troll.

we aren't feeding him, we're taunting him and poking him with sticks.

 

[jaydeehess]

wow, took me so long to create my post the thread seems to have moved on quite a bit.
malcom needs to go and do some reading up on flight systems and practises.

 

[Zep]

Stop feeding the troll.

Yep.