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JonnyFive said:
There is no global elite to fight against, no corporate masters that can be toppled to magically fix the world. There is only the true believer, waiting in the dark, sharpening his box-cutter, looking for an opportunity to strike against something he hates.
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And in that respect, he's not that different from the guy who shoots himself in the head after killing innocent people in a school for getting bad grades, or his girlfriend and family because she left him.

Hatred is a powerful thing. It often can't be predicted, and bad things happen. CTers would like things to be simplistic, so they can be easily controlled. They are wrong. Terribly, horribly wrong.
 
Further clarification:
Circular reasoning
(Judeo-Christian) God wrote the bible. How do we know? The bible tells us so.

Begging the question
God wrote the bible. The bible says abortion is wrong. Since the bible is the word of God, we should outlaw abortions.
 
gumboot said:
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

A Christian is a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ. What are you smoking?

-Gumboot
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Who knows. Maybe he meant to say "I think a Christian is somone who looks at all evidence from all angels" :D

Or maybe he's just nutty.
 
Y'see, a Christian has to look at and weigh the various scenarios of young earth creationism, old earth creationism, directed evolution, and intelligent design, among others, and make the choice of which one he wants to believe. We atheists are stuck in our naturalistic evolution, evidence-based dogma.
 
Skeptic Guy said:
Better yet, that there is any such thing as an "Illuminati" for crying out loud. Leave alone that the Rockefellers were members.
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The Illuminati is a real group, maybe they don't exist anymore but they did at one time. Families, like the big bankers (Morgans, Rockefellers, etc) hold great power in this world because of their influence socially, economically and politically. Whether you believe their goals are ultimately good or evil is your opinion but whether they have great authority is not questioned by experts. Yes the Rockefellers have bloodlines of the "Illuminati" indeed!
 
israelside said:
The Illuminati is a real group, maybe they don't exist anymore but they did at one time. Families, like the big bankers (Morgans, Rockefellers, etc) hold great power in this world because of their influence socially, economically and politically. Whether you believe their goals are ultimately good or evil is your opinion but whether they have great authority is not questioned by experts. Yes the Rockefellers have bloodlines of the "Illuminati" indeed!
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Your opinion has been noted. Now, prove there is, or even was, a group called the Illuminati, using something other than assertion and accusation.

I'll just hold my breath while you try to do this.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Further clarification:
Circular reasoning
(Judeo-Christian) God wrote the bible. How do we know? The bible tells us so.

Begging the question
God wrote the bible. The bible says abortion is wrong. Since the bible is the word of God, we should outlaw abortions.
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Probability insists that some form of life supernatural exists, ghosts have been proven by the catholics, mediums and millions of known sitings. The probablity of life existing on earth based on heat, water, oxygen is very small, the odds our kind exists somewhere else in our galaxy is limited aswell based on the size of other suns. This raises the probability of God exisiting, prophecies have come true based on biblical accounts and various others. This proves (atleast as much as we want to believe) that God exists...therefore God wrote the bible because the writings are based on evidence and truth prophecies. The bible says killing is wrong (atleast from man to man) (killing is unjust aswell)...abortion is unjust, so all abortions should be outlawed. Be specific when you speak about stuff
 
israelside said:
Probability insists that some form of life supernatural exists, ghosts have been proven by the catholics, mediums and millions of known sitings. The probablity of life existing on earth based on heat, water, oxygen is very small, the odds our kind exists somewhere else in our galaxy is limited aswell based on the size of other suns. This raises the probability of God exisiting, prophecies have come true based on biblical accounts and various others. This proves (atleast as much as we want to believe) that God exists...therefore God wrote the bible because the writings are based on evidence and truth prophecies. The bible says killing is wrong (atleast from man to man) (killing is unjust aswell)...abortion is unjust, so all abortions should be outlawed. Be specific when you speak about stuff
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Sayeth the one who just spoke on how many different subjects?

You keep making assertions, but offering no proof. Just stating something like the Catholics and mediums (oh, boy) have proven ghosts are real is opinion. The Catholics? Really? Where do you get that from? How did they prove it? What was the protocol used? Could there have been cheating? We don't know. We just have somebody's opinion, who probably isn't very good at critical thinking from the stuff posted by him so far.

Get some real evidence. Otherwise you are wasting your and our time.
 
JimBenArm said:
Your opinion has been noted. Now, prove there is, or even was, a group called the Illuminati, using something other than assertion and accusation.

I'll just hold my breath while you try to do this.
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Illuminati evidence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
http://www.benbest.com/history/bavarian.html

Under a section called "Fritz Springmeier" you find the 13 families

http://tinwiki.org/wiki/Illuminati


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israelside said:
Anyone have a debunking for the new evidence surrounding professor Jones' findings?

They have a challenge for you!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/220507controlleddemolition.htm
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The crux of the fresh evidence revolves around newly uncovered globules or spheres that were discovered at the WTC site that Professor Jones was able to obtain and run a electron microscope analysis on.
The spheres contained iron and aluminum, which would be expected in any steel sample, but also sulphur which is a by-product of a thermate reaction.
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So they found traces od sulphur and that proves it was arson? Great! See I don't have tornado insurance but I do have fire and theft insurance on my home. Using the logic in the quote that means if my house gets hit by a tornado they will find iron, aluminum, and sulphur (which the vast vast VAST majority of buildings will have) and I can get them to pay!
 
israelside said:
I disagree, the truth movement is full of smart people that theorize about 911 and its aftermath based off world history, former terrorist attacks and current evidence (as much as we have).
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Full of what? The truth movement is full of misinformation. You need to base your conclusions on facts and evidence, not a work of fiction by people who are telling lies. The truth movement is full of two types of people, gullible people who believe lies, and those telling the lies. A simple cult with dissimilar splinter clusters spouting the same old junk.

If only you had some evidence. As much as you have = 0
 
israelside said:
For one thing Jim, you are a total sarcastic ass...you say nothing of value but everything of foolish ignorance.

Illuminati evidence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
http://www.benbest.com/history/bavarian.html

Under a section called "Fritz Springmeier" you find the 13 families

http://tinwiki.org/wiki/Illuminati
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So, me challenging you to support your outrageous views really upsets you, doesn't it? Do you think it bothers me in the least?
Oh, can you link the Bavarian Illuminati to the present day? Your links say the conspiracy loons believe it, but again, belief is not proof. Lots of "alleged", "believed to be", absolutely no proof.
So, again, think you're up to the task? Come on, I'm willing to be convinced, but you have to come up with something a whole lot better than this nonsense!
Next thing, you'll tell me Oswald wasn't the lone gunman!
 
israelside said:
Probability insists that some form of life supernatural exists, ghosts have been proven by the catholics, mediums and millions of known sitings. The probablity of life existing on earth based on heat, water, oxygen is very small, the odds our kind exists somewhere else in our galaxy is limited aswell based on the size of other suns. This raises the probability of God exisiting, prophecies have come true based on biblical accounts and various others. This proves (atleast as much as we want to believe) that God exists...therefore God wrote the bible because the writings are based on evidence and truth prophecies. The bible says killing is wrong (atleast from man to man) (killing is unjust aswell)...abortion is unjust, so all abortions should be outlawed. Be specific when you speak about stuff
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Okay, I'll be very specific:
There is no God, Judeo-Christian or otherwise. Your strawman arguments concerning life on Earth are addressed here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

ETA: Now, drop the red herring and address the logical fallacy in your argument.
 
Oh any subforum would do, I just want to see you being the first person in history to prove a negative.
 
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