I will be asked where I get my morals.

It was suprisingly easy to not be a smart ass to this guy even though it is against every part of my being. I guess when the stakes are so high you can do just about anything.
 
To give you (especially non-USAians) an idea of the cultural environment Ceritus is embedded in, visit here and here. If you think California is the land of fruits and nuts, visit Oklahoma.

I hope you get your judgement, Ceritus. Keep us informed.
 
Ceritus,
I know that I'm far too late to offer any good advice, but it sounds like your ex-girlfriend's lawer did more harm then good by bringing up relgion. As a side note, I understand a little of what's going on here america is a scary place to be an atheist if you live in the bible belt or the midwest. I hope everything works out in the best interest of you child.
 
Thank you bella and thank you everyone for your support. I really appreciate it folks.
 
Bellatrix said:
Ceritus,
I know that I'm far too late to offer any good advice, but it sounds like your ex-girlfriend's lawer did more harm then good by bringing up relgion. As a side note, I understand a little of what's going on here america is a scary place to be an atheist if you live in the bible belt or the midwest. I hope everything works out in the best interest of you child.
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That depends on how much the judge listens to a higher law. The thing to hope for is that he got an good judge. As opposed to say the one in NY who threw out a spoucal abuse case with the agruement "every woman needs to be hit now and then"
 
My smarta** response:

"Where do I get my morals? Costco. In the five gallon bucket."

My serious response:

You've gotten some good advice in this thread, and it sounds like you handled it well in court. I hope it turns out well for you. In a just world, there would be no question that it would.
 
No updates yet :( still waiting for the action it should come today maybe. The judge said it would be done yesterday but it was never finished. I wonder what he could be possibly thinking about....
 
He's not thinking about anything. He's too busy joining the Guv praying for rain.

Sorry...couldn't resist. I'm on standby awaiting your outcome.
 
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I just love how this lawyer attacked you for having sex out of wedlock, when I do believe that the *ahem*, "godly" mother must have consented to such a thing as well.
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Well, obviously women simply exist to be sexual objects and can't be held responsible for their own decisions regarding sex (since that's their purpose). Duh!

<sigh>
 
ponderingturtle said:
That depends on how much the judge listens to a higher law. The thing to hope for is that he got an good judge. As opposed to say the one in NY who threw out a spoucal abuse case with the agruement "every woman needs to be hit now and then"
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Holy cow -- where was that case, specifically? Do you know when, and which parties were involved? Links, please -- I want to look up that judgement!
 
Jackalgirl said:
Holy cow -- where was that case, specifically? Do you know when, and which parties were involved? Links, please -- I want to look up that judgement!
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It was from an article about a set of NY judges who are elected. There is unlikely to be much of a public record of the judgement as they do things like hold court in their kitchen.

A link to the article is somewhere on the JREF board. My google fu is failing me though.
 
Jackalgirl said:
Holy cow -- where was that case, specifically? Do you know when, and which parties were involved? Links, please -- I want to look up that judgement!
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Women don't get blamed for sex?! In what world?!

The only reason he got the full blame for what both he and his now ex-gf did is because he was the one on trial.

If it was the other way around and a woman was fighting for custody and she was attacked for having sex with someone she would never marry and she "wanted to and it was fun", she'd have kissed her custody rights goodbye.

Women are always blamed for unwanted pregnancy, too, even though they didn't knock themselves up. It's just that he was the one on trial.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Women don't get blamed for sex?! In what world?!

The only reason he got the full blame for what both he and his now ex-gf did is because he was the one on trial.

If it was the other way around and a woman was fighting for custody and she was attacked for having sex with someone she would never marry and she "wanted to and it was fun", she'd have kissed her custody rights goodbye.

Women are always blamed for unwanted pregnancy, too, even though they didn't knock themselves up. It's just that he was the one on trial.
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I think you might have missed a post. I believe Jackelgirl was responding to this post here.

ponderingturtle said:
That depends on how much the judge listens to a higher law. The thing to hope for is that he got an good judge. As opposed to say the one in NY who threw out a spoucal abuse case with the agruement "every woman needs to be hit now and then"
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More about blaming women for being victims of spousal abuse than for adultery and unwanted pregnancy. Both are wrong though.
 
ponderingturtle said:
It was from an article about a set of NY judges who are elected. There is unlikely to be much of a public record of the judgement as they do things like hold court in their kitchen.

A link to the article is somewhere on the JREF board. My google fu is failing me though.
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Found the discussion

Link to post

The actual article seems to want registering for the New York Times online though.

edit here is a link to an official NY state report of the event where the judge said "Every woman needs a good pounding every now and then"

Ah the joys of an elected judiciary
 
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No. The OP was asked why he never married the mother of his child and he said because they'd only be headed for divorce. He was asked why he would even have sex with someone he wouldn't want to marry and he said cause it was fun.

Someone very rightly pointed out that it takes two to have sex and conceive a child and no one asked the mother what she was doing having sex with someone she didn't want to be with.

Jackalgirl responded that it's always the man's fault and I said not so.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
No. The OP was asked why he never married the mother of his child and he said because they'd only be headed for divorce. He was asked why he would even have sex with someone he wouldn't want to marry and he said cause it was fun.

Someone very rightly pointed out that it takes two to have sex and conceive a child and no one asked the mother what she was doing having sex with someone she didn't want to be with.

Jackalgirl responded that it's always the man's fault and I said not so.
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Yes but that was not the message of Jackalgirl that you responded to. The message you quoted was a responce to my mentioning how judges can make decisions on things with no legal basis.

You might be quoteing the right person, but as a responce to that statement it makes no sense.
 
It really is up to the judge. His discision will be based on what he thinks the best thing for the child is. If the judge feels that children need "guidance", he may think that letting a child decide for themselves what to believe is too premissive of an environment.

Not everyone views independant thinking as a positive.
 
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