Palstinians Demonstrate Against Violence

[davefoc]

Well, except you would have to dig deep to find Israelis doing the same thing.

Unless you want to show us evidence to the contrary?

Here lies the saint, Dr. Baruch Kappel Goldstein, blessed be the memory of the righteous and holy man, may the Lord avenge his blood, who devoted his soul to the Jews, Jewish religion and Jewish land. His hands are innocent and his heart is pure. He was killed as a martyr of God on the 14th of Adar, Purim, in the year 5754 (1994).

 

[The Fool]

So yeah, Palestinians are just like you and I. Except in the eyes of the media.

"the media"?

In that case I am wondering where Little green footballs gets all its media material to feed its members..any suggestions?

 

[The Fool]

Here lies the saint, Dr. Baruch Kappel Goldstein, blessed be the memory of the righteous and holy man, may the Lord avenge his blood, who devoted his soul to the Jews, Jewish religion and Jewish land. His hands are innocent and his heart is pure. He was killed as a martyr of God on the 14th of Adar, Purim, in the year 5754 (1994).

and another "Kahanist".

from wiki...

Earl Leslie Krugel (November 24, 1942 – November 4, 2005) was the West Coast coordinator of the Jewish Defense League (JDL).

At one time, Krugel was a dental assistant in the San Fernando Valley.

While the Jewish Defense League was founded by Meir Kahane in New York in 1968, West Coast activities were spearheaded by Irv Rubin and his followers, Earl and Barry Krugel. The FBI contends that Irv Rubin planned the 1985 bombing-murder of Orange County Arab-American leader, Alex Odeh. No one was ever charged in that case.

Krugel and Rubin were arrested in 2001 and charged with conspiring to bomb the office of Representative Darrell Issa (R-CA), an Arab-American of Lebanese descent, and the King Fahd mosque in Culver City, California.

Krugel pled guilty in February 2003 to one count of carrying an explosive device in connection with a conspiracy to impede or injure an office of the United States and one count of conspiracy to violate the civil rights of worshippers at the mosque.


Would I be allowed to include these dudes as evidence in deciding what palestinians are like if they were palestinians? As they are not Palestinians what group of people do they help me make bigoted generalisations about?

 

[webfusion]

jtf, kahane, jdl and krugel. All Americans.
Baruch Goldstein is not an Israeli hero. He is reviled.
Noam Federman was jailed in Israel for his activities (mainly for exercising his right to free speech, rather than direct violent action). In any case, he is not a representative of mainstream Israel.

so "The Israelis" is as valid a term as "The palestinians" a couple of pictures of you guys threatening old arab women with rocks and I should be able to start talking about "what the Israelis are like"...thats how it works doesn't it?

Why stop with pictures of the IDF threatening old women rock-throwers? Let's drag out the really horrible stuff, like pictures of dead palestinian babies -----
OK, now this thread is free to progress deeper into the realm of Israelis killing innocent palestinians ----
http://www.leksikon.org/killingfields/month_chrono.php?period=0404

 

[webfusion]

more turnspeak

Abu Obeida, a spokesman of the Hamas military wing threatened that "Israel will be punished for its crimes."

What crimes is he talking about this time?
Ooops --- here ya go --- he said this in reaction to the following incident earlier today:
Israel Defense Forces troops on Saturday shot and killed three Palestinian militants who were attempting to place an explosive device near the Gaza Strip security fence. Hamas said the militants killed by the IDF were members of its military wing, and Palestinian sources named them as Abdel Khalim Fiumi, 27, Said Khiles, 21, and Mohammed Suki, 24.

So, Abu Obeida is threatening Israel, because we dared to kill their terrorist heros!
Indeed, BPSCG, you can't make this stuff up. That, after all, was the point of your OP.

 

[The Fool]

jtf, kahane, jdl and krugel. All Americans.

In that case can we use them to make generalisations about what Americans are like?

After all, in this thread mycroft says "What these pictures show are the extreme lengths Reuters and other news organizations will go to peddle the Palestinians as something other than what they are."

so "the Palestinians" are something ....when asked what they are he replies "It doesn't matter what they are"....so they are apparently something but it apparently doesn't matter. Or he apparently wants to tell us they are something but can't or wont say what that something is.

One thing about beeps wack a palestinian threads is that it sure flushes out those that know what the palestinians are...unfortunately it doesn't flush out the ones that want to tell us what this common trait of "the palestinians" is.

Oh well....maybe next time. Anyway...I'm off to figure out what Australians are like and I've got heaps of pictures of crowds at rugby matches to help me. First impressions are that we are a drunken rabble but i'll get back to you all with the full report after I've toured our prisons.

 

[webfusion]

In that case can we use them to make generalisations about what Americans are like?

You are welcome to try. Won't getcha far, with this crowd of JREF'ers.

After all, in this thread mycroft says "What these pictures show are the extreme lengths Reuters and other news organizations will go to peddle the Palestinians as something other than what they are."

The people in the OP pictures are not peace-seekers. They are not interested in the very concept of peace with Israel.

The people in those pictures are riotous, murderous, islamic jihadists.

"The palestinians" have failed, completely and totally, to achieve their independence because they apparently cannot do so without the Israeli 'boogey man" to focus on. The palestinians are incapable of electing (or even running for election) leaders whose aim is to cooperate with the Israelis, whose aim is to form a strong and beneficial multi-national union, whose aim is to disarm the murderers and reject the terrorists and take a clear stand against men like Sami Kuntar.

I bring up Sami Kuntar, and davefoc says Ah-HA! Baruch Goldstein.
Well, if you cannot see the difference, davefoc, then I cannot help you.

What are these palestinians parading in the streets for? For unity in arms & for the goal of war against Israel. Their chants -- "Death to Israel" and "Kill the Jews" is heard everywhere. It is a ritual of their imams to preach it in the mosques. It is a ritual of their spokesmen to proclaim it at every news conference. It is a ritual of their rally organizers to broadcast it over loudspeakers to the masses gathered in the public sqaures.

That is what the palestinians "are" -- there is no denying it.
They are trapped by their collective hatred of the Israelis.

Where is the Palestinian's Folk Music Festival? Where is their Menahem and Yehudit Vinegrad?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/852991.html

That I would like to see...

 

[a_unique_person]

That's not digging deep? Excuse me, but I am not familiar with the definition of "digging deep" then.

http://www.indiana.edu/~inbsarc/membership_files/deep%20hole.jpg

It was on Wikipedia.

 

[The Fool]

The people in those pictures are riotous, murderous, islamic jihadists.

QED

 

[Schneibster]

You know what really bothers me? It bothers me that if you say, to either the Palestinians or to Israelis or their supporters, "You know, both sides are screwing up, you really ought to fix that on your side at least," you have to listen to a litany of how the one has oppressed, bombed, tortured, terrorized, or otherwise infracted against the other, and how much of a bigot you are for not realizing that whichever side the litanizer (litanator? ) is on is the side of truth and rightness and the other side are demons.

It's disgusting, quite frankly.

 

[webfusion]

QED

Not sure what this means T-F, but I'll take it to mean that the photos from the OP are "proof positive" (QED) that the people shown in them are indeed riotous, murderous, islamic jihadists.

*snip* It's disgusting, quite frankly.

Be thankful you don't live in the neighborhood, then.
It would make your blood boil.

PHOTO CAPTION:Khaled Meshaal, the exiled HAMAS political leader, said that "firing rockets (at Israeli territory) is the right of the Palestinian people, and a matter of legitimate resistance against the occupier."

Parse that, if you wish.
I take it on face value.

 

[Schneibster]

I'm not sure which disturbs me more: the possibility that you don't see the irony of your post, or the possibility that you do and don't care.

 

[webfusion]

Don't care.

 

[Schneibster]

Then until a majority of people who are involved in this conflict think differently than you, it will not end.

ETA: and I expect from your attitude that you don't even properly understand why that disturbs me.

 

[webfusion]

It will not end.
I know why you are disturbed, it just cannot be helped.

 

[Mycroft]

Here lies the saint, Dr. Baruch Kappel Goldstein, blessed be the memory of the righteous and holy man, may the Lord avenge his blood, who devoted his soul to the Jews, Jewish religion and Jewish land. His hands are innocent and his heart is pure. He was killed as a martyr of God on the 14th of Adar, Purim, in the year 5754 (1994).

That's how Baruch Goldstein is memorialized on his tombstone. I wouldn't be surprised if the family of the Virginia Tech shooter finds something nice to say on his tombstone, but that wouldn't qualify as evidence that Koreans as a group support that kind of murderous violence.

Further, the Wikipedia article you quoted that from (and failed to link to, for some reason) also says;

The Goldstein family had requested that he be buried in the ancient Jewish Cemetery of the Martyrs in Hebron, but this request was denied.

Which is evidence that Israel as a state doesn't encourage the same kind of glorification of terrorists that Fatah and Hamas do.

So honestly, do you really think this is at all comparable to the kind of rock-star worship accorded to Palestinian suicide-bombers?

 

[Mycroft]

This is simply sickening. An apologist revision of terrorist bombing. Have a good look at yourself.

If you've found anything un-factual in my post, please feel free to post your own rebuttal for discussion. Until then, you seem to be trying very hard to personalise the argument by ascribing to me some position I've never held, and then attacking me for it.

 

[Mycroft]

"the media"?

In that case I am wondering where Little green footballs gets all its media material to feed its members..any suggestions?

I'm not sure what you're claiming here.

Are you claiming many of the media stories featured on LGF are false? If so, how is that relevent to this thread?

Are you claiming that the media often demonizes Palestinians rather than white-washing them? If so, why not provide evidence?

What exactly is your claim here?

 

[knot]

. Without the slightest hint of sarcasm, the folks at Reuters captioned the following photos, "Palestinians attend a demonstration against violence in Gaza April 23, 2007."



"Don't call us violent, or we'll shoot you!"

There's the MSM for you.

This is ridiculous. I have to edit the quote because it contains URL's and I don't have 15 posts. I was going to disable the images anyway though.

 

[The Fool]

I'm not sure what you're claiming here.

I think you may be not sure because I wasn't claiming anything. Your statement was about "the media" here it is "So yeah, Palestinians are just like you and I. Except in the eyes of the media." So you appear to have dropped the suggestion that you know what palestinians "are like" and agree with me that they are just like you and me...so I ask if you believe that "the media" misrepresents the palestinians where does chuckles from LGF get all his feed for his members? see the difference? I'm asking you to support your statements.

Are you claiming many of the media stories featured on LGF are false? If so, how is that relevent to this thread?

not many are false...some are, chuckles is a busy man, he can't check everything. He has a lot of members itches to scratch. If your statement is correct the articles he fuels his members with must all misrepresent the palestinians.....??

Actually your line sounds strangely familiar...I think it would be Chuckles standard claim that the "main stream media" is not giving us the full story and he can put us back on the path of truth by selecting for us the richeous subset of available media... maybe you should modlfy your statement of who misrepresents "the palestinians" to something like "the media... except for the stuff I get fed on LGF"?