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Palstinians Demonstrate Against Violence

webfusion said:
The Fool, have you any evidence of a single arrest being made in the Palestinian Authority of an armed individual who was embarking upon a mission of terror? Should be easy enough, if you seem to think that some effort is being made to stop terror, instead of promote it.

Carry on...
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4701775.stm

Again and again Israel has demanded that the Palestinian leadership move to break Hamas - to disarm it and jail its leaders.

But events on the streets of Gaza have made it clear how very unlikely that is to happen. In almost every encounter, the security forces came off worst.

"almost every encounter the security forces came off worse."
How can that be if no attempts have been made? Do the families of the dead security forces realise it never actually happened?

The violence broke out when the Authority's security forces intercepted a Hamas team on a mission to launch rockets at Israeli targets.

no it didn't because apparently it has never happened.



The move against Hamas then, was an attempt by Mr Abbas' administration to impose its authority - to try to show the militants that there were limits.

And although the government's forces came off second best, the tensions were so acute that Hamas did start reining itself in.

As Egyptian mediators worked to calm the situation, the Hamas rocket attacks on the Israelis tailed off - and the ragged ceasefire was restored.

In that way, Mr Abbas and the Authority achieved their goal - for the moment at least.



Nope...it never happened

How about we give up on trying to push this line that the PA has never made any attempts to stop terrorist attacks and ask ourselves how we can nurture and support this when it does happen rather than slap restrictions on the ones that do make some effort.
so web...does this classify as "some effort" or does intercepting and having a firefight with a Hamas rocket crew on its way to attack israel equal no effort? If it had been an IDF unit that was involved how would you feel if that unit was told after the firefight it had made "no effort".
 
webfusion said:
The Fool, have you any evidence of a single arrest being made in the Palestinian Authority of an armed individual who was embarking upon a mission of terror? Should be easy enough, if you seem to think that some effort is being made to stop terror, instead of promote it.

Carry on...
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That was a very clear, concise, accurate answer The Fool made. Not only are they trying to stop them, they're getting killed doing it.

If I were the Israelis, I'd get moving quick on that whole moral ascendancy thing. The Palestinians may be about to steal a march.
 
a_unique_person said:
It's more like the lion has been lying on them for 40 years, they want it to get off.
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40 years? Then how do you explain the events detailed in my earlier posting, RIGHT HERE:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2561909&postcount=70


No, Schneibster, we're asking for evidence. The Fool offered nothing in the way of evidence that internecine violence is being perpetrated with the intent of stopping terror against Israel. The killings are more of a feud, for power and control of the streets. Do terrorists sit in Palestinian jails? It should be a relatively simple matter to show that evidence. I'm skeptical.
(the article linked from the BBC was nearly two years old --- in two years, how many arrests were made of terror leaders by the Palestinian Authority?) How Many? How about ZERO >>>>>
 
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webfusion said:
40 years? Then how do you explain the events detailed in my earlier posting, RIGHT HERE:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2561909&postcount=70


No, Schneibster, we're asking for evidence. The Fool offered nothing in the way of evidence that internecine violence is being perpetrated with the intent of stopping terror against Israel. The killings are more of a feud, for power and control of the streets. Do terrorists sit in Palestinian jails? It should be a relatively simple matter to show that evidence. I'm skeptical.
(the article linked from the BBC was nearly two years old --- in two years, how many arrests were made of terror leaders by the Palestinian Authority?) How Many? How about ZERO >>>>>
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when you have completely finished moving the goalposts about let me know....
you simply deny what I place in front of your eyes exist....

I'll quote it again..

"The violence broke out when the Authority's security forces intercepted a Hamas team on a mission to launch rockets at Israeli targets."

but this is not evidence that it had anything to do with an intention to stop them launching rockets.....must have wanted to steal thier sandles eh? now we have the normal added requirements when silly absolutes are claimed and shot down...people must be in prison and it has to have happened within a new timeframe....whatever, make your minds up what you want to claim first rather than making it up as the thread progresses.what would be added next....they were not in prison long enough and it didn't happen on a thursday???

tired of the game.....sorry
 
The Fool is tired of the game -- but in the two years since that article was written, Israel has endured a constant barrage of rockets, it has seen terror continue unabated, with suicide bombers, shootings, and even the tunnel-attack on the IDF position and the kidnapping of Cpl Shalit (yet to be released).

Tunnels -- no, they don't exist, "the IDF is making excuses to have reasons to demolish houses" (blah blah blah).

Bombings --- no, they aren't an issue, "it's all perfectly normal and to be expected because of the occupation."

Shootings ---- no, they don't need to be stopped, "just part of the resistance."


Show me evidence of one public trial, one public arrest of anyone behind the terror. That's all I'm asking for.
 
webfusion said:
The Fool is tired of the game -- but in the two years since that article was written, Israel has endured a constant barrage of rockets, it has seen terror continue unabated, with suicide bombers, shootings, and even the tunnel-attack on the IDF position and the kidnapping of Cpl Shalit (yet to be released).

Tunnels -- no, they don't exist, "the IDF is making excuses to have reasons to demolish houses" (blah blah blah).

Bombings --- no, they aren't an issue, "it's all perfectly normal and to be expected because of the occupation."

Shootings ---- no, they don't need to be stopped, "just part of the resistance."


Show me evidence of one public trial, one public arrest of anyone behind the terror. That's all I'm asking for.
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Thats all you are asking for?

Until your single examples are provided then we get the next condition.....As you know full well the PA have arrested and tried and imprisoned many many people and having little actual military control over the prisons the people just tend to walk out....sorry, "escape" the next day. Maybe you could use "they just get straight out of jail" as the next morph of the claim...


just curious but who are you claiming said those quotes you typed out?
 
Yeah, The Fool, many many were arrested, sure, then where are your examples?

Here, T-F, you want me to do your homework for you? Lets roll the clock back, to 2001 ---- six years ago, and my google search provided this lone example.

HAMAS leader Abdel Rantisi is arrested. Big whoop. I think he spent 15 minutes in jail. Paris Hilton will be at Lynwood longer.

However, by 2004, as there is no reduction in the climate of terror and the Palestinians increase their attacks upon Israel, where is Rantisi?
He is riding in his car, taking a tour around Gaza.

The "quotes" I have provided are commonly used rationalizations, not specific words from anyone -------- these types of statements are used all the time when people are asked to talk about acts of terror perpetrated by the palestinians. I recall a rather detailed discussion here on JREF, TF, about how Israel was closing the KARNI transit facility because there were suspected tunnels there (which, later, after the thread was dormant, a major one was indeed discovered to exist, and the IAF targeted it.).

Meanwhile, the Associated Press is now reporting that 6 terror rockets have struck a quiet Israeli village.

Also, Ha'aretz has released the news that A leading terrorist, Mahdi Abu Hir, 27, was killed in a clash with the IDF, together with two of his deputies, Palestinian sources said. They added Abu Hir had just recently been released from an Israeli prison where he had been jailed for four years.

Good riddance.
 
davefoc said:
None of this is to say that I think that the percentage of Palestinians who participate in or advocate terrorism isn't much greater than the percentage of Israelis who do. Obviously support for terrorism is much stronger in the Palestinian community. But I think webfusion and perhaps mycroft see this as proof of the moral superiority of the Jewish culture or Jews or the Israeli government. I don't think it is. Under similar pressures, Israel's founders engaged in widespread terrorism also. Israel today has no need to engage in terrorism to achieve its goals. It has a strong organized military to enforce its will.
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Some people here seem to have a better grasp of the situation than others.
 
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