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Palstinians Demonstrate Against Violence

steverino said:
Is "going Cho" becoming part of the lingo like "going postal?"
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Steverino, "going postal" is so Clinton-era. "Going Cho" is a modern update reflecting the insanity of letting crazy people run around shooting people while forbidding sane people from shooting back.

It evokes Kafka, Vonnegut. It summarizes the silliness of our times perfectly.
 
Mycroft said:
It doesn't really matter what they are in the black-is-white world of Mid East international reporting, they will inevitably be portrayed as something else. Here the ones marching down a street shouting and brandishing rocket-propelled grenade launchers and assault rifles are peace protestors. If children are photographed with similar weaponry, Reuters will cheerfully label the weapon as a "toy" even when it's obviously not. When rockets are being launched daily against Israeli towns, it will be described as a "cease fire".
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"It doesn't really matter what they are"? oh well, close as you have got to an answer for a while. I suppose you can just keep what "the palestinians" are like as your own little secret. I'm guessing that an answer to the question may make you look like a bigot so its probably a wise choice to avoid answering.
 
Welcome to the Monkey House

I was hesitating about joining this thread ---- nothing really unusual about masses of palestinians marching in the streets, in support of their heroes, the murderers, and glorifying their violent 'resistance' ---- but that last remark by The Fool towards Mycroft pushed me into action, so here is my contrinbution:

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palestinians march on April 23rd demanding the release of the murderer Sami Kuntar, their hero.

Just look at the photo of this man ---- the palestinian version of cho.

This is a typical representation of the society that the palestinians have developed for themselves. It is routine to see them waving their glorious flags, and marching in the streets in support of more violence, more death, more more more. They have developed it into a cottage-industry of sorts.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp....jpg?x=380&y=257&sig=zGOOmKXr9eM9iQ_qYdwHTw--
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(notice the giant media posters on the buildings in the background of this photo)

Sorry, The Fool, but this is not a false representation of palestinians, this is not a made-up exercise in showing the 'bad side' of a few extremists, this is not an effort on my part to take things out of context in order to demonize an entire people. When the palestinians make it their business to flaunt their worst baby-killers and mass-murderers as shining examples to their own children, then I am confidently saying here, with no hint of bigotry, no hint of sarcasm --- their society is insane. Clinically and certifiably.
Who will step forward to fix that? I hope that some palestinian doctors will have the courage to speak out and begin the process of healing their people's collective dementia. Because right now, the nutjobs are running the monkey house (with a tip of my hat to the late, great Kurt Vonnegut).
 
The Fool said:
"It doesn't really matter what they are"? oh well, close as you have got to an answer for a while. I suppose you can just keep what "the palestinians" are like as your own little secret. I'm guessing that an answer to the question may make you look like a bigot so its probably a wise choice to avoid answering.
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Okay, you seem to be trying to manufacture a personal argument over a purely semantic issue.

If you would like to address my point of how elements of the media portrays events in the Middle East as other than what the obviously are, then feel welcome to do so. If instead you want to personalize this argument and try to smear me instead, well you’ve had enough warnings by now that you should know better.
 
In what way would Israelis behave differently is the same circumstances? Lets remove the rule of law and see what happens in your society . The Day this situation will start to improve is the day after people stop trying to preach rubbish about what palestinians are like..... They are just like you......
 
In what way would Israelis behave differently in the same circumstances? Lets remove the rule of law and see what happens in your society.
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Are you trying to indicate that there is no rule of law within the Palestinian Authority? Is that your claim?

They have an incredible force of 'security' (over 40,000 strong) which makes the Police Departments of most US cities pale in comparison. They maintain courts & jails, a complete fully-functional legislature, an Interior Ministry to issue documents and ID cards, and even a Stock Market.

What "rule of law" are they lacking?


The Day this situation will start to improve is the day after people stop trying to preach rubbish about what palestinians are like..... They are just like you......
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No, they're not.
I don't idolize baby-killers like Sami Kuntar.
 
webfusion said:
I was hesitating about joining this thread ---- nothing really unusual about masses of palestinians marching in the streets, in support of their heroes, the murderers, and glorifying their violent 'resistance' ---- but that last remark by The Fool towards Mycroft pushed me into action, so here is my contrinbution:

PHOTO LINK I
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rid....jpg?x=216&y=345&sig=r9wUm_3UUJZBbhZ_zW.rIw--

palestinians march on April 23rd demanding the release of the murderer Sami Kuntar, their hero.

Just look at the photo of this man ---- the palestinian version of cho.

This is a typical representation of the society that the palestinians have developed for themselves. It is routine to see them waving their glorious flags, and marching in the streets in support of more violence, more death, more more more. They have developed it into a cottage-industry of sorts.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp....jpg?x=380&y=257&sig=zGOOmKXr9eM9iQ_qYdwHTw--
PHOTO LINK II
(notice the giant media posters on the buildings in the background of this photo)

Sorry, The Fool, but this is not a false representation of palestinians, this is not a made-up exercise in showing the 'bad side' of a few extremists, this is not an effort on my part to take things out of context in order to demonize an entire people. When the palestinians make it their business to flaunt their worst baby-killers and mass-murderers as shining examples to their own children, then I am confidently saying here, with no hint of bigotry, no hint of sarcasm --- their society is insane. Clinically and certifiably.
Who will step forward to fix that? I hope that some palestinian doctors will have the courage to speak out and begin the process of healing their people's collective dementia. Because right now, the nutjobs are running the monkey house (with a tip of my hat to the late, great Kurt Vonnegut).
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Glorification of terrorists is hardly confined to the Palestinian side. You don't have to dig too deep to find there are some Israelis doing the same thing.
 
The Fool said:
In what way would Israelis behave differently is the same circumstances?
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I don't know and anything I could say would only be a guess. What does this have to do with my comments on how elements of the media portray Middle East events as something other than what they obviously are?

The Fool said:
Lets remove the rule of law and see what happens in your society .
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That would be a terrible thing in any society. So what is Fattah doing about it? Are their policies making this better or worse? What is Hamas doing about it? Are they making it better or worse?

Can you name any one thing they (Hamas or Fattah) have done to try to bring the rule of law to Palestinian society? Or are they merely squandering their resources pursuing a war with Israel they cannot win?

And what does this have to do with my comments on how elements of the media portray Middle East events as something other than what they obviously are?

The Fool said:
The Day this situation will start to improve is the day after people stop trying to preach rubbish about what palestinians are like..... They are just like you......
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Of course they are. They're just like me and just like you.

Except that if you, I and hundreds of other people paraded down the streets brandishing rocket-propelled grenade launchers and assault rifles, no reporter anywhere would describe us as "demonstration against violence".

Or if you and I let our children handle weapons, no reporter anywhere would try to sugar-coat it by describing it as a "toy" gun.

And finally, if you and I belonged to a criminal organization that considered itself at war with a neighboring state, the media wouldn't claim we were maintaining a "cease-fire" if we were to continue to launch home made rockets and suicide attacks daily.

So yeah, Palestinians are just like you and I. Except in the eyes of the media.
 
a_unique_person said:
Glorification of terrorists is hardly confined to the Palestinian side. You don't have to dig too deep to find there are some Israelis doing the same thing.
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Well, except you would have to dig deep to find Israelis doing the same thing.

Unless you want to show us evidence to the contrary?
 
a_unique_person said:
Glorification of terrorists is hardly confined to the Palestinian side. You don't have to dig too deep to find there are some Israelis doing the same thing.
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You might want to look into Israeli schoolgirls signing artillery shells during the conflict with Lebanon last summer. I know its not exactly the same as, in the words of an earlier poster, Palestinian "baby-killers" but it does show that the Israelis allow their children to engage in questionable activities that may lead to the dehumanization of the Palestinians. In short, I don't think that it is as easy to assign the moral high ground in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as some people would like us to believe.
 
mijopaalmc --- those artillery shells were not aimed at the palestinians.

...Goldman says that the children were from Kiryat Shmona, which is right on the border with Lebanon and had been hit by Hizbullah rockets.

There was a war underway, begun one clear summer day by islamic terrorists in Lebanon, and the IDF artillery was being used to try and stop the incoming barrages of fire, which was being launched across an internationally recognized border at Israeli civilians.

You are right about one thing -- it is not exactly the same.
 
mijopaalmc said:
You might want to look into Israeli schoolgirls signing artillery shells during the conflict with Lebanon last summer. I know its not exactly the same as, in the words of an earlier poster, Palestinian "baby-killers" but it does show that the Israelis allow their children to engage in questionable activities that may lead to the dehumanization of the Palestinians. In short, I don't think that it is as easy to assign the moral high ground in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as some people would like us to believe.
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The Lehi ribbon, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Military_decorations
 
In July 2006, right-wing Israelis including former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former members of Irgun attended a 60th anniversary celebration of the bombing, which was organized by the Menachem Begin Centre. The British Ambassador in Tel Aviv and the Consul-General in Jerusalem complained, saying "We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated." They also protested against an Israeli plaque that claims that people died because the British ignored warning calls, saying it was untrue and "did not absolve those who planted the bomb." The plaque read "For reasons known only to the British, the hotel was not evacuated.” City Officials have agreed to slightly amend the wording on the plaque. [4]In July 2006, right-wing Israelis including former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former members of Irgun attended a 60th anniversary celebration of the bombing, which was organized by the Menachem Begin Centre. The British Ambassador in Tel Aviv and the Consul-General in Jerusalem complained, saying "We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated." They also protested against an Israeli plaque that claims that people died because the British ignored warning calls, saying it was untrue and "did not absolve those who planted the bomb." The plaque read "For reasons known only to the British, the hotel was not evacuated.” City Officials have agreed to slightly amend the wording on the plaque. [4]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
 
You are building a massive strawman, a_u_p.


Can you show us the Israeli equivalent today that compares to the mass rallies and overt palestinian glorification of murderers and gunmen?

Of course not.

mijopaalmc tried to make a point with those pix of Israeli kids marking doodles on artillery shells, but they only did so in a specific and limited context, IIRC, and it does not compare to what the palestinians are doing.

Look, this thread is not about palestinians being evil. I know they aren't.

It is about the palestinians failing to disarm their society, and relinquishing war as an option. That is what their demonstrations should be about. But they aren't.
 
So according to your argument a "moral equivalent" to celebrating terrorism is:

1) Military decorations.

2) A commemoration of a bungled false-flag operation that backfired, where nobody was actually hurt, and "commemorated" by the presentation of "certificates of appreciation" some 50 years later.

3) A commemoration (not celebration) of a "terrorist attack" against a military target with a plaque and a historical seminar 60 years after the fact, where the victims were warned in advance and which ultimately led to the withdrawal of the British and the formation of the state of Israel.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article690085.ece

I’m sorry, but I don’t seen any parallel to the rock-star status given to suicide terrorists where a successful attack is celebrated by dancing in the streets and giving candy to children, where streets and hospitals are named for them, where walls are plastered with their posters and their “goodbye” videos are played on television, where their pictures hang in mosques and schools, where their mothers are encouraged to “celebrate” their deaths as though it were a wedding, and on and on…

There is just no rational standard where the things you point to are comparable.
 
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webfusion said:
No, they're not.
I don't idolize baby-killers like Sami Kuntar.
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Yet you idolize terrorist bombers of the british.... Made them national heroes.


and you proclaim your bigotry from websites like this...

http://www.jtf.org/index.htm

Thats a great site....tells us all what you think about blacks as well as arabs.


What? This isn't your view? But surely...you are an Israeli....so "The Israelis" is as valid a term as "The palestinians" a couple of pictures of you guys threatening old arab women with rocks and I should be able to start talking about "what the Israelis are like"...thats how it works doesn't it?
 
Mycroft said:
3) A commemoration (not celebration) of a "terrorist attack" against a military target with a plaque and a historical seminar 60 years after the fact, where the victims were warned in advance and which ultimately led to the withdrawal of the British and the formation of the state of Israel.
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This is simply sickening. An apologist revision of terrorist bombing. Have a good look at yourself.
 
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